Art1820m
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Balanced mix
When mixing , higher frequencies seems weaker than the lower frequencies. At the end when you check it with a spectrum analyzer you see that there are more bass then mids and highs. How can some create a mix that is bassy and punchy but the same time a balanced mix??? 
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RE: Balanced mix
2008/10/29 19:16:47
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It really depends where you put the pivot point.
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Art1820m
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RE: Balanced mix
2008/10/29 19:18:32
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what do you mean by pivot point???
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RE: Balanced mix
2008/10/29 19:30:46
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It was a bad joke.
I do applaud your use of the term "balanced" when referring to mixing. The quip about the pivot point is referencing the fact that you say you enjoy bass emphasis but you are somehow worried there isn't enough activity in the upper mids or highs. I'd say your pivot point was a bit lower than other styles of music.
Your original statement "higher frequencies seems weaker than the lower frequencies" leaves me wondering what you mean but it's curious that the facts are that bass tones need a lot more power than higher frequencies to be heard. So it's more like higher frequencies require less power than the lower frequencies.
Have you treated your room? Do you now about the tendancy to mix the bass too heavy when working in an untreated room?
There's a whole bunch to consider.
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mike
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Art1820m
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RE: Balanced mix
2008/10/29 21:42:32
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you're right about that I --- "enjoy bass emphasis but you are somehow worried there isn't enough activity in the upper mids or highs".
What I mean by "higher frequencies seems weaker than the lower frequencies" I am speaking about individual sounds, bass for example has more power than highs, that's why it uses a lot more space in the mix.
when I start mixing I get a nice low end with the kick-bass together, after that blending it in the music gives me a problem. I feel I have more bass then any other mixed music. Then I try putting a low shelve EQ on the master bus just to make the low-end leveled, but then the other frequency range sounds bad they become higher and UN pleasant to hear on loud levels.
my room is treated by Auralex.
This is were I come to my original threat, Sub woofer. maybe I have more bass than I hear???
do I need a sub?
I am using Alesis m1 active mk2 monitors
Thank you
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RE: Balanced mix
2008/10/29 23:02:05
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Probably need to do a lot of bass roll -off on your individual tracks......way more roll-off than you think. If you look around the forum you will find a lot of good threads on mixing and eq. As far as the Sub goes, IMHO you should learn how to get your mixes under control without a sub. Save the sub for when you have a firm grip on your mixing technique. Maybe if you post a mix or a track that you are refering to, some of the forum members can point you in the direction you need to go as far as eq tips.
post edited by JavaMan - 2008/10/29 23:12:35
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RE: Balanced mix
2008/10/30 07:20:53
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Are you using Auralex foam or their fiberglass/rockwool products?
I would not trust an Auralex foam product to tame a room's bass resonance... it's just not good for that task... unless you have a HUGE amount of auralex product... like the room is half filled with foam.
Take a visit at Ethan Winer's website and learn a bit about room tuning... Auralex foam is good for killing mids and highs... I'd focus on taming the bass and then use the Auralex to tune the mids and highs in the room.
best regards,
mike
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RE: Balanced mix
2008/10/30 08:14:30
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Read up on complimetary EQ'ing. It will help your mixes out allot
Cj
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RE: Balanced mix
2008/10/30 11:28:38
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ORIGINAL: Art1820m
When mixing , higher frequencies seems weaker than the lower frequencies. At the end when you check it with a spectrum analyzer you see that there are more bass then mids and highs. How can some create a mix that is bassy and punchy but the same time a balanced mix???
You may have to EQ some lows out of some tracks. Try to figure out what creates the punch you want and let just those tracks "have" the low end. All other tracks should have a lot less lows. In some cases the kick drum and bass guitar will combine when they happen at the same time and cause a low end lump. You can try to EQ the kick to avoid some areas or even reduce the kick when the bass has (the attack of) a note at the same time. Pan can also be an issue. We don't normally pan low end stuff but anything that is panned center will build up. So if you have a guitar track that has a bunch of low end in it you may not be able to leave it in the center.
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RE: Balanced mix
2008/10/30 23:03:57
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+1
--High-Pass < 30Hz on Kick and Bass (less on one vs. the other) ... to allow your vital 30-60Hz bass level no rumbling.
--Venerate rhythm solidity in the sacred 30-60Hz range of your bass-line ... without boosting it with EQ.
--I might hyper-compress (multi-compressor) this range with brick limiting + shorter-attack/short-release to solidify your bass-line. Albeit, if you use a Dimpro Soft-synth bass, this is probably not necessary. Just keep the bass-line levels pretty similar.
Many mixers also:
--Reduce a 400ish Hz notch in the Kick, -3 to -10 dcbs, Q = 1.5 (1 octave) or 2 or narrower.
--Boost a 400Hz mound in the Bass +3; similar Q
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RE: Balanced mix
2008/11/02 18:36:37
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ORIGINAL: Philip
Many mixers also:
--Reduce a 400ish Hz notch in the Kick, -3 to -10 dcbs, Q = 1.5 (1 octave) or 2 or narrower.
--Boost a 400Hz mound in the Bass +3; similar Q
I guess that you use the same kick as he uses,,,eh ?! when you tell someone to cut/boost, you need to show it in the spectrum, so there will be proportion...
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