Clipping problems with bass and piano...

Hi.

Using sonar 7 SE

I find it very frustrating when I begin to record duplicate tracks of say bass lines and synths in sonar. When I set up a bass synth, and play it, I notice the synth limits the maximum volume(on the gauge), so I turn it down, to prevent clipping. However, when I set up another synth, say a ballad piano in DLE, I notice that when played alongside one another they cause a horrible distortion, so I'm forced to turn down the piano's volume as well, to prevent clipping.
When I do this, they become increasingly more quiet, and it makes the song sound weak and useless, so it's pointless to export.
Using the console I'm forced to turn down the volume on each track to prevent this, every single time. And it happens a lot when I record using bass and drums, very irritating.

Any suggestions? I would be most grateful...


Thanks

These clipping and limiting effects are only workable with audio data, no? So how would I work with MIDI data independently?

"Your midi turn into audio at some point" So are you saying I should convert it to edit it independently, or that sonar coverts the midi into audio anyway, when I hear it?. Obviously it does, but that doesn't allow me to edit parameters that might prevent clipping on MIDI data, without turning it down. Additionally, I do understand the basics of how loud the volume will be, depending on the track quantity, that's fairly obvious. The whole thing is, I would like to create a song, were during I can reduce clipping on the tracks, without having to turn the whole master down, or tracks down, to compensate. This is because it sounds quiet, and poor, like I stated above...

Midi is a language which instructs softsynths or hardware synths what pitch and controller movements to ocurr.

So your midi track is controlling a software instrument...the software instrument will have an have at least one audio track and a midi track....use the audio track effects bin to put in EQ etc etc .

Or if you are happy with the track then bounce it to audio and use that tracks effects bin

If its clipping and its still too low in volume the way to deal with that is lower all the other tracks until its sits well with the others. But I must ask what makes you think we would answer with stupid suggestions? That is rather insulting. 
 
Quote from MikeReal
"I am not interested in stupid responses but I am interested in fixing this with someone that knows what they are doing"
 
Normally I would welcome you to the forum and try to be forgiving of any typo. That statement is not very helpful.
You also need to tell us where it is clipping. Is it a synth? Is it recorded live drums?
 
What have you done about gain staging?  
 

Sounds like a gain staging problem.
 
Imagine this:
You have one single track. You make a copy of it. You play both together at the same time. It clips.
Why? Because they add together and are therefore louder in total.
 
Same thing happens when you have many tracks adding together. You have to reduce the gain of each track so that the sum total does not clip.
 
As has already been pointed out, if something highly dynamic then sounds too soft, either turn down the other tracks further and enjoy the dynamics or get a compressor to reduce the dynamics.

Bit of a contradiction here:
 
"and its output isnt very high. its clipping and its useless"
 
If the output isn't very high then it cannot clip.
 
Where are you seeing (hearing) this clipping?
 
I agree with all the above that refers to gain staging. Get it right at the start and it will be right throughout the project

I seriously doubt whether that troll will even return to see the useful, not-stupid questions and suggestions all of you have offered. And resurrecting an 8 year old thread instead of starting a new one? Sounds like a Google pigeon to me...it sees a search result, swoops in, craps all over it, and flies away.

stevec
A Google pigeon, huh...     First time I've heard that term, but I like it. 

Pigeons or sea gulls...I've used both, depending on where I was living at the time. Now, it's pigeons!
 
Bird diddoo. Bird diddoo!