SONAR 7 Waves PLUG-IN problem

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2008/11/04 10:35:05 (permalink)

SONAR 7 Waves PLUG-IN problem

Before I used to record mu guitar with a ZOOM pedal that I plugged direct into my PC sound card and I was using a old Cakewalk software to record my stuff, and that was working pretty well.

Then I had SONAR 7 and I wanted to record my guitar with the Guitar Rig 3 plug-in. I'm VERY new to this. So I just plugged my guitar into my lin/aux soudcard input, without my ZOOM pedal. From now I heard some clean noise coming out of my speaker, but that was not very loud, and I was thinking that my SONAR was not set properly. Anyway I tried to used guitar Rig on a wave track. And when I was playing, the Guitar Rig effect was not there... so I tried everything to heard it, like press every single button on the track interface and when I was pressing on the echo button, at the right of the record button on the track, I finally heard my Guitar rig effect. But I didn't want to use that to record. Anyway I turn it off and I tried to record something, and when I played the recorded wave, I heard the effect. Finally after many tried, I realize that I have a general problem, because everytime that I play with the echo turn on, with or without wave effect, I hear the real sound that I suppose to hear but with a stupid delay.

I dont think this is a guitar rig problem. So I want to know how to set this correctly, to hear directly the guitar rig effect without have to press the echo button.

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    SteveStrummerUK
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    RE: SONAR 7 Waves PLUG-IN problem 2008/11/04 11:37:52 (permalink)

    Hi there Bob (?) and welcome to the Cakewalk forums.

    As it happens, you've dropped into the Guiatr Tracks forum, not the SONAR forum - however, you're problem, input monitoring latency, is a common problem found in all recording software to some extent or other.

    I assume you're running Guitar Rig as a VST plug in the FX bin of a track.

    With the 'Echo', or 'Input Monitoring' button switched off, all you will hear is the clean, unprocessed signal coming from your guitar. Importantly, this dry signal is also what SONAR will record. When you hit the playback button, SONAR now routes the dry recorded signal through Guitar Rig and you will here the processed signal.

    To test this, turn off Guitar Rig during playback and you'll just hear the dry signal again.

    If you enable the Echo button when recording, SONAR routes your dry signal through Guitar Rig so you can hear exactly what the effect is doing; however, it will still record the DRY signal - the effect is NOT added to your guitar at this point.

    The idea is that you can record while listening to the processed signal - most guitarists prefer to do this it seems.

    But, and this is a big but, the time taken for SONAR to do all this on the fly processing takes up a certain amount of time - the delay between your hitting a string and hearing the processed sound is called latency.

    Obviously, as you are experiencing, this delay can sometimes be too long to work with - ideally, you need to get that latency down to as short a time as possible, if it's impreceptable to you then this is just about as good as can be accomplished.

    There are many variable that cause latency, the efficiency of your soundcard and the processing speed of your PC are probably the two most important though. In these cases, large latency can normally be directly traced to recording through a stock built-in PC soundcard.

    It would be of great help to us if you could list your PC specs - operating system, processor type and speed, amount of RAM, and the make and model of your soundcard, and which type of driver it is using.

    First off though, you might try opening up Option>Audio>General and sliding the latency buffer slider across towards 'Fast' in increments and then check to see if the delay time comes down enough to allow you to work OK; however, be aware that you might push it across too far and your CPU may become too overworked resulting in drop outs and the like when you're recording.

    Hope that helps

    Steve

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    RE: SONAR 7 Waves PLUG-IN problem 2008/11/04 15:13:19 (permalink)
    Sounds like you need a new upgraded soundcard.
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    RE: SONAR 7 Waves PLUG-IN problem 2008/11/04 17:30:03 (permalink)
    No need for a soundcard, everything work like I wanted, thanks a lot, you make my day :P !
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    RE: SONAR 7 Waves PLUG-IN problem 2008/11/04 18:27:22 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: SQAR

    No need for a soundcard, everything work like I wanted, thanks a lot, you make my day :P !


    Hey that's great news - but what made it work?

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    RE: SONAR 7 Waves PLUG-IN problem 2008/11/05 09:10:29 (permalink)
    I just put my latency down and I have the perfect feed back when I activate the echo. But now I prefer record my clean guitar, and change guitar rig setup while I'm listening the track. Thats so much usefull.

    I was just wondering, my soundcard is a Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS, and it's difficult to get a great sound with guitar rig, thats sounds good but not great. I was wondering if a external sound card like M-Audio stuff will make the sound better ? If yes do have you some suggestions ?

    Thank you!
    post edited by SQAR - 2008/11/05 09:31:15
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