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Bus template?
Apologies if this has been covered, but does Sonar 8 have a way to create a bus template? Something similar to a track template, but for use as an effect bus (as one example) that might have an effect (or series of effects), routing, etc. If not, are there any good work-arounds people are using? Thanks in advance, Steve E.
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RE: Bus template?
2008/11/11 22:00:51
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After you have all of your standard routings set up, save it as a Project template. File, Save As, turn the file type to Project Template. Name it.
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SFSonarBoy
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RE: Bus template?
2008/11/11 22:18:56
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Good work-around - thanks! But no way currently to save just a single bus configuration that could be inserted in any existing project? Thanks again, Steve E.
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RE: Bus template?
2008/11/11 22:50:57
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ORIGINAL: SFSonarBoy Good work-around - thanks! But no way currently to save just a single bus configuration that could be inserted in any existing project? Thanks again, Steve E. Not that Im aware of, but that is a good idea.
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RE: Bus template?
2008/11/11 23:23:40
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ORIGINAL: SFSonarBoy Apologies if this has been covered, but does Sonar 8 have a way to create a bus template? Something similar to a track template, but for use as an effect bus (as one example) that might have an effect (or series of effects), routing, etc. If not, are there any good work-arounds people are using? Thanks in advance, Steve E. Track templates will export/import buss settings just check your track templates "Import Filter" to include buss settings. I have a few track templates saved that are actually for busses. HTH Tom
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Keysman
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RE: Bus template?
2010/06/15 15:43:27
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Ahh Yes BUT, None of this can applied after the fact ( recording ) Meaning after your finished with the entire mix and you have a great set of track templates to work with, you can certainly save them for future use but thats only valuable for STARTING a project with those settings. Senario, lets say you've just finished recording a band of 12 songs. You've spent the last week getting a great overall sound from the drumkit and the balance and FX combo of the electric guitars just right and the exact vox chain you want. And you save those as track templates so that you can use them as a MIX starting point for the rest of the 11 songs. You cant. Using the track template insert command will simply INSERT a duplicate of the track and all the associated routing but it will not APPLY the template to the track or busses. Which, at mix time is all but useless if you have already recorded the material. And using a project template will only let START a new project with those settings. Dont get me wrong, its a clever idea, just not very well implemented for the project that your actively working on. What would truly be helpful is if you could APPLY the track template to existing tracks and have those create the associated busses and fx chains that you have already proven to work for YOUR project. For material like recording bands.......this would be HUGE life saver for production time. If I am missing somethng here, please correct me on this but I can find no way to apply the template to the track or buss for that matter. Using this method requires you to record one song, stop the session, mix the song untill its close to what you think you will want at the end of the project, then start each new song with that same template senario.
post edited by Keysman - 2010/06/15 15:46:19
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Keysman
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RE: Bus template?
2010/06/15 16:29:31
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The only workaround I have been able to find is to simply delete all the busses, insert all the track templates you had in the mixed version of the song and let Sonar create all the associated busses, then copy all the audio and paste it into the new track positions and then delete all the original tracks from the project. Has anyone else found a better way???
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RE: Bus template?
2010/06/15 20:55:16
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One of the nice features of Protools is that you can apply a mixing template to a project with recorded tracks. Can't do this yet in Sonar.
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RE: Bus template?
2010/06/16 05:00:17
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I'm finding it hard to understand the problem here. If you set up a buss with all the effects you want then it's a simple matter to create a 'dummy' audio track with a send to that buss. Now you save that audio track as a track template. When that track template is inserted into your project it will create the required buss and effects chain. Surely it's a simple matter to route, or put a send on, the audio track/s you've already recorded to the new buss. What am I missing? Phil Edited for clarity.
post edited by edentowers - 2010/06/16 05:02:23
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RE: Bus template?
2010/06/16 10:21:42
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I don't think you're missing anything. It's just cumbersome, and as someone pointed out ProTools handles this much more elegantly. I don't find Sonar's way of doing this terribly difficult, but it is somewhat klunky and annoying. It could most definitely be improved. And I also have some track templates specifically so I can get the busses set up how I want them.
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RE: Bus template?
2010/06/16 11:23:16
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Well that's a relief then. I agree it's not the most elegant solution though. I remember loading up the Jsarus Mixing Template and then realising that I couldn't just simply apply it to the project I was working on. :-(
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RE: Bus template?
2010/06/16 15:17:16
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edentowers, Thanks for the responce, I do get that you can save the needed buss architecture by saving a track template. What I cant seem to do is insert the track into a pre-recorded project without creating a 'duplicate' track. This requires you to drag all your old audio ( assuming its not a MIDI track that has specifc outputs assigned ) into the new duplicate track as well as any automation thats attatched. This is all well and good for 10 tracks. But in a production environment of 60+ tracks this is pretty daunting and the chance for missing something vital in the transfer is pretty high.
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RE: Bus template?
2010/06/17 06:05:51
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My way of thinking, in line with the OP's request, is that all we're looking for here is to create a buss or several busses, ready populated to handle distinct processing tasks like vocals, bass, and drums. Each buss requires a separate empty audio track (don't use the existing audio tracks in your project, create new ones) and that audio track must be routed to its particular buss. Once you've created all the busses you need then all their associated audio tracks are selected and saved as a Track Template. When the track template is inserted into an existing project you will get all the empty audio tracks, but it's a simple matter to select them all and delete them. Now all you have to do is route your existing tracks to the busses you want. This can be made simpler by, for example, selecting all your drum tracks and then using the Tracks/Property/Outputs menu to route several tracks to the drum buss at once. This way your original tracks remain safely undisturbed. Still might be a pain if you need loads of busses though. Phil
post edited by edentowers - 2010/06/17 06:16:15
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RE: Bus template?
2010/06/17 11:27:23
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edentowers My way of thinking, in line with the OP's request, is that all we're looking for here is to create a buss or several busses, ready populated to handle distinct processing tasks like vocals, bass, and drums. Preset your templates. My default opening tracking template for example already has 'lead, backing vocal buses, drum, drum comp' (parallel compress bus), bass, a few spare 'inst busses and several pre-loaded fx busses. Very often a lot of them are not needed or remain mimimized and at their default zero setting or are muted and removed from the track view.
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RE: Bus template?
2010/06/17 12:52:23
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That's exactly what I do Wayne. But if you've already recorded a project and need your favourite busses in place you need a workaround. Thanks for the thought though. Phil
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RE: Bus template?
2010/06/17 16:43:06
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I think a mixing template would be great. After-the-fact, I am finding myself going into every song in a project, and making the same tweaks as I find systemic issues with the mix (i.e. drum overheads not quite to the drummer's liking volume-wise). If I could save certain mix settings out, and apply them all at once to each tune, that would be great.
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Re:Bus template?
2011/04/09 20:32:00
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- Open the project you wish to export your bus template from.
- Create a BLANK audio track. This will be a dummy track; You can even name it "Dummy Track."
- Insert a send on the dummy track for each BUS you wish to include in this template. (Repeat this step for each bus!)
- Select the dummy track - and only the dummy track.
- Export a track template. Name it something prudent.
- Close the project.
- Open the project you wish to import the bus template into.
- Import your prudently named track template.
- The dummy track and ALL of the buses will appear in the project.
- Erase the dummy track; thank it first. Keep the buses.
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