Delta 44 Is Sick and I Need Sound

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2008/11/18 22:40:36 (permalink)

Delta 44 Is Sick and I Need Sound

My music computer (XP-SP3, 2 G RAM, Intel Core 2 CPU, 2.13 GHz) worked fine for over a year with a Delta 44 card. The Delta developed a problem which, I hope M-Audio is diagnosing, but in the meantime, to get any sound, I have to rely on a built-in Realtek HD Audio card. WAV or mp3 files played through Winamp and Audacity are OK but SHS6XL sound is so bad I can't believe it. After enabling the Realtek and loading SHS6, I switched driver mode from the ASIO I was using with the Delta to MME, then WDM. Both give terrible sound routing a midi track through TTS-1 soft-synth. A track bounced to audio sounds just as bad. If I export the bounced track and listen to it in Audacity though, it sounds OK. Any ideas? BTW, anyone who wants to chip in on solving the Delta problem is certainly welcome to do so.
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    Ken J
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    RE: Delta 44 Is Sick and I Need Sound 2008/11/19 12:15:10 (permalink)
    No feedback yet on using the Realtek card so maybe one of the experts can render an opinion on the Delta 44. I have physically removed the card from the computer, put it back in, uninstalled the software, reinstalled it using the latest drivers downloaded from the M-Audio website, and all I get is a notification that there is new audio hardware installed. The Delta 44 icon shows up in the systray but right clicking on it brings up the message "dpInitInterfaceFailed". In Device Manager, under Sound Contollers, there is an M-Audio icon with a yellow dot with "!" in it. Right clicking this and selecting Properties, it says "This device cannot start (Code 10)".

    Now for the question: do any of the experts think this is a hardware problem with the card in the computer? I'm looking for a quick response because someone is selling a card (without the connecting cable and breakout box which I wouldn't need) on eBay and I could replace just the card and get on with life.
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    RE: Delta 44 Is Sick and I Need Sound 2008/11/19 13:15:49 (permalink)
    I couldn't say if it's a hardware problem or a software problem, but if it was running for over a year before it stopped, then I would think hardware. what happened initially when you started having a problem with it?

    as far as your realtek - after changing to MME driver mode (you'll likely need to use MME and not WDM, although it's possible), did you restart SHS and run the wave profiler? if so, go check these places:
    OPTIONS>AUDIO>DRIVERS
    and make sure the realtek is the only thing selectedfor INPUT and OUTPUT
    OPTIONS>AUDIO>GENERAL
    and make sure the realtek is the only thing selected for the PLAYBACK and RECORDING TIMING MASTER

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    RE: Delta 44 Is Sick and I Need Sound 2008/11/19 13:47:33 (permalink)
    I knew I could count on Beagle to "bird-dog" this one.

    Delta 44 - the problem occurred about a month ago and I don't remember the details. I think I got a message that the M-Audio wasn't functioning or something like that. At that time, I downloaded the latest drivers from the M-Audio website to no avail. I've done all the standard things to bring the Delta back up but all I get are messages to install the drivers from disk when the program can't find what it is looking for. When I override that and select the downloaded driver, I get the "Code 10" message.

    In Control Panel, the driver details listed are: dated 1/9/2006, ver. 5.10.0.5057. In the Delta 44 properties box, it says "Driver is enabled and functioning properly." All this leads me to conclude that it is a hardware problem.

    Realtek - I think I did what you recommended but I'll go back and give it another shot. Meanwhile, I think I'll go back to eBay and take action on the card listed there.

    Thanks.
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    RE: Delta 44 Is Sick and I Need Sound 2008/11/19 14:18:17 (permalink)
    It does kind of sound like it's a possibility that's it's hardware, but I'd be misleading you if I said I was sure. You might try changing the card to a different PCI slot if you have one available. Don't forget that even if it is a hardware problem, it might NOT be the card itself, but something on the motherboard!

    your driver date is kind of bothersome, tho. I know that m-audio has released drivers for XP AND Vista in 2008 for the D44. the 1/9/2006 shows you're using older drivers. are you SURE you got the latest ones? I'll have to check my version number when I get home.

    My Delta 44 has been rock solid in 3 different computer systems now for nearly 4 years.

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    RE: Delta 44 Is Sick and I Need Sound 2008/11/19 16:09:28 (permalink)
    My computer has 2 slots: one has the Delta card and the other a wireless transmitter card that works through my Linksys router to connect to the net. I swapped them (and then had to talk to my ISP to get the wireless card talking to the router again) but there was no change. One thing that is different, however, is when I rebooted, I don't see any indication that the computer sees an M-Audio card. This used to appear under controllers in device manager as an M-Audio device but had a yellow dot with an exclamation point. Now, there is a new top level icon called "Other devices" and Multimedia Audio Controller shows up there with a question mark over it.

    Does this provide any insight?
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    RE: Delta 44 Is Sick and I Need Sound 2008/11/19 16:20:34 (permalink)
    that might be a more positive indicator that it's a hardware problem, then, but again, I'm not going to commit to it! You're not going to blame me if it's NOT hardware!!! LOL!

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    RE: Delta 44 Is Sick and I Need Sound 2008/11/19 16:32:58 (permalink)
    As a retired engineer myself, I know how important it is to leave yourself a little wiggle room. I value your opinion and expertise. For $49, I think I'll go for the replacement card and if it doesn't work, I'll blame M-Audio for not responding to my plea for help at their website.

    Thanks.
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    RE: Delta 44 Is Sick and I Need Sound 2008/11/19 16:41:55 (permalink)
    That's exactly right! you won't catch me saying I'm 100% positive about ANYTHING!!!! LOL! Engineers KNOW there's always a reason to leave at least a 0.1% (and usually more!) chance that something can go wrong!

    good luck with the other card. let us know how it goes.

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    RE: Delta 44 Is Sick and I Need Sound 2008/11/19 16:48:22 (permalink)
    Nope... that's the same drivers I'm using (although I'm using XP SP2). The only newer drivers would be for Vista.

    Dave
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    RE: Delta 44 Is Sick and I Need Sound 2008/11/19 16:54:09 (permalink)
    well dave you made me go look it up. I was certain that I am using drivers newer than 2006 and I am.

    http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=support&tab=driver&serie_ID=1&PID=ad13e577f5e5f494c721095cefefd71b&OS=72
    that link is for XP SP3 which gives these drivers:
    Delta 44 06/27/2008 5.10.00.5069v3 Delta_V32_5.10.00.5069v3.exe

    or if you have XP SP2:
    http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=support&tab=driver&serie_ID=1&PID=ad13e577f5e5f494c721095cefefd71b&OS=71
    Delta 44 04/05/2007 5.10.00.5057v3 Delta_WDM_5.10.00.5057v3.exe

    So he (and apparently you) do not have the latest drivers.

    EDIT: That is to say, I was 99.99% certain!
    post edited by Beagle - 2008/11/19 16:58:25

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    RE: Delta 44 Is Sick and I Need Sound 2008/11/19 17:15:59 (permalink)
    OK. Now I've got the 5.10.0.5069 driver showing in my M-Audio\Delta folder and a new icon in the systray. However, running the install program takes me back to the earlier frustration where, during the install process, it can't find the driver, even when I tell it where the DLL files are located. And device manager still shows no sign of M-Audio - just "Other devices" with "Multimedia Audio Controller with a "?" over it.
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    RE: Delta 44 Is Sick and I Need Sound 2008/11/19 18:22:40 (permalink)
    Don't know if this will help, but I'm pretty sure M-Audio recommends installing the driver (from disc) before installing the PCI card.
    Maybe see if you have any luck with that sequence.....

    Rob
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    RE: Delta 44 Is Sick and I Need Sound 2008/11/19 19:08:12 (permalink)
    I'm getting to be quite an expert on uninstalling and installing the drivers. What you get when you run the installation program is a message that tells you the computer must be shut down, then the card installed and the computer restarted. I have tried it both that way and simply leaving the card in. I get the same result either way.
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    RE: Delta 44 Is Sick and I Need Sound 2008/11/19 22:34:54 (permalink)
    I think you've probably done just about everything you can without m-audio's help or a new card to try.

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    RE: Delta 44 Is Sick and I Need Sound 2008/12/03 21:52:15 (permalink)
    The eBay replacement Delta 44 card arrived and everything is working OK! Thanks to everyone who put their 2 cents in.
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    RE: Delta 44 Is Sick and I Need Sound 2008/12/03 22:29:28 (permalink)
    Make sure you list yer crapped out one on ebay so some other poor fella can have the same fun you had......




    JK

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    Re: RE: Delta 44 Is Sick and I Need Sound 2014/04/12 04:28:12 (permalink)
    I have the exact same problem with my Delta 44 and then someone told me to try it in UBUNTU Studio and guess what, it works like a charm. So I don't know what happened with the card but it seems to be a problem with windows reading older cards, especially after a sp upgrade. Maybe I could be wrong but I'm glad I never threw the card away. The sad thing is that UBUNTU don't really have the stuff that I'm looking for, but on the brighter side the os is for free and so is all the software and even my M-Audio keyboard is plug and play without installing any drivers, but for now my recordings can go forward again. M-Audio was no help at all in this regard and even they told me that my card is faulty.   
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