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OT: SynthEdit Help Needed 'Solved' New Free Plugin Available!

Hi Gang...

I know there are a number of forums dedicated to this program, but I'm a bit overwhelmed trying to get started with it....

I'm not looking to become a developer, but I can't find a gadget with a particular feature that I'd really love to have, so I'm attempting to learn enuf synthedit to creat this one plugin....

The plugin I'm looking for is a typical DDL, but with a seperate lfo for each side (left/right) to vary the delay-time setting... The ddl doesn't need to be long as I use ot for very short delays...

What I'm after is the ability to use a 27-30ms delay with zero feedback/regen where each side is shifting thru the range of 27-30ms at slightly different rates....

Anyone know of such a creature? I'm broke, but if it's not too expensive I might be able to acquire it in the future???

I know if I had the cash I could get the people at Starplugs to build one, but it's more cost than I can afford....

Thanks...
Keni


post edited by Keni - 2008/12/08 11:16:24

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    Fog
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    RE: OT: SynthEdit Help Needed 2008/12/07 12:36:05 (permalink)
    you confused me with the term DDL for a second.. it's basically a delay.. (and to think I see it all the time in reason.hehe)

    you haven't come across anything on KVR that would do it, I mean generally and apply the effects separately also?

    also how you want to deal with it, in real time or bounce it down?

    http://www.smartelectronix.com/

    might have something also.. and a multitude of other sites.

    in reason , here's how I would do it... (maybe someone who is more apt with sonar has a work around in that sense)

    source sound > spider (so you can split the left/right + make multiple copies) have 2 instances of the FX running (DDL in my case) ..obviously it effects the left and right , then spider-audio merge the 2 channels back to 1 output , one going to the left and one going to the right.

    It makes a bit of difference if your doing this in real time or if it's something that you just want to bounce down.
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    RE: OT: SynthEdit Help Needed 2008/12/07 13:54:06 (permalink)
    Thanks for the lead and tips...

    I have found ways to create the effect, but it requires far too much resources for the simple task.... So I continue to search in hopes of finding such a beast and now I'm gonna see what I can do with synthedit to create one for myself.... I used to do some programming so I'm not totally new to it, but learning the 'rules' for working with synthedit seems a bit daunting to me right now.... Let's see what the future brings me in this respect....

    Meanwhile I'm off to the link you just gave in the forever search....

    Oh and yes, I did a very thorough search of KVR a number of times always hoping one would appear, but no such luck.... yet? ;-)

    Thanks again...
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    RE: OT: SynthEdit Help Needed 2008/12/07 13:58:34 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Keni

    Hi Gang...

    I know there are a number of forums dedicated to this program, but I'm a bit overwhelmed trying to get started with it....

    I'm not looking to become a developer, but I can't find a gadget with a particular feature that I'd really love to have, so I'm attempting to learn enuf synthedit to creat this one plugin....

    The plugin I'm looking for is a typical DDL, but with a seperate lfo for each side (left/right) to vary the delay-time setting... The ddl doesn't need to be long as I use ot for very short delays...

    What I'm after is the ability to use a 27-30ms delay with zero feedback/regen where each side is shifting thru the range of 27-30ms at slightly different rates....

    Anyone know of such a creature? I'm broke, but if it's not too expensive I might be able to acquire it in the future???

    I know if I had the cash I could get the people at Starplugs to build one, but it's more cost than I can afford....

    Thanks...
    Keni





    Why not try this? http://www.db-audioware.com/quantum-fx-more.htm





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    RE: OT: SynthEdit Help Needed 2008/12/07 14:16:09 (permalink)
    You can have different delay times and characteristics with the Sonitus Delay in Sonar.

    post edited by bermuda - 2008/12/07 14:34:31

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    RE: OT: SynthEdit Help Needed 2008/12/07 16:01:46 (permalink)
    yeah... I use it regularly, but it won't do this particular effect....

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    RE: OT: SynthEdit Help Needed 2008/12/07 20:22:32 (permalink)
    Keni , not tried it but...

    http://www.e-phonic.com/plugins/retrodelay.php

    if you look around you probably will find DDL's that only deal with ONE instance of the sound.. so you'd have to set up 2 instancing and send a mono signal (left and right) to each unit.

    see how you get on with that, they do some instruments that I use, so they aren't bad.. I'm assuming their fx stuff is as good.hehe

    post edited by Fog - 2008/12/07 20:26:21
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    RE: OT: SynthEdit Help Needed 2008/12/08 11:15:25 (permalink)
    Yes...

    I've used the approach of two devices but it seems too much work for something simple and as a matter of fact, I managed to build such a device yesterday/last night... My first built with SynthEdit.

    So I went from zero to finished working device in an easy day.... It's not exactly 'right', but it does some good effects and some very wacky ones....

    I gladly make it available to anyone who wants a copy... If I get some time I'll place it on my website (http://www.dspacer.com/) on the Cakewalk and Kurzweil Support page.... but if I remember correctly, I've got some problems with managing my site since my pc crash a few months back.... So if anyone else has a place I'll gladly put it there too.... or email me and I'll file-attatch (I don't think it's very big, but I may change my mind about this after looking ;-) I'm only dialup)...

    The plugin is called "Stereo DDL-X" .... It's a bare bones device with duplicate controls for left and right. Only using the default SynthEdit skin.

    delay/waveform/lforate/lfodepth/feedback/mix

    Oh.... and tho they don't really serve any purpose, I stuck VU meters on the outputs just because I could... ;-)


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    RE: OT: SynthEdit Help Needed 2008/12/08 11:37:05 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Fog

    Keni , not tried it but...

    http://www.e-phonic.com/plugins/retrodelay.php

    if you look around you probably will find DDL's that only deal with ONE instance of the sound.. so you'd have to set up 2 instancing and send a mono signal (left and right) to each unit.

    see how you get on with that, they do some instruments that I use, so they aren't bad.. I'm assuming their fx stuff is as good.hehe




    Thanks for the link/lead.... It looks very interesting and I'm downloading it right now....

    But my little home-made plugin might find some use too... ;-)

    I'm trying to make it available to the public right now.... (Stereo DDL-X)


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    RE: OT: SynthEdit Help Needed 2008/12/08 12:07:13 (permalink)
    but I thought I'd save you reinventing the wheel.. well *2'ing it.hehe

    perhaps email ephonics and put in a santa letter ;-)

    the thing is with synth edit, it's a bit hit and miss.. that's not down to the maker of that , more the person who makes the plugs.. I've had one that can cause really bad issues with a particular plugin that makes whatever you use it with unstable.. so it's in the recycle bin now. or failing that the maker is chewing up resources like there is no tomorrow and they never told you needed the power of a Cray to run it.hehe
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    RE: OT: SynthEdit Help Needed 2008/12/08 12:32:52 (permalink)
    Why would I have to email e-phonics?

    They offer their plugins for free/shareware, so I'm downloading them all and if I find them useful I will make a donation in the near future (pay day for me is a few weeks away)

    I don't think I'll use their synths much as I usually use 'organic' drums... ;-)

    But the Retro Delay looks very promising. I couldn't quite tell from the pic and it doesn't have a larger pic available... The specs say some interesting things and it might be exactly what I've been looking for....

    The one I made with SynthEdit seems to work fine... No bells or whistles other than my 'special' requirement. It doesn't appear to use much resources as I don't see much if any hit on the Sonar CPU Meter when I load an instance of it. It hasn't caused any geif here (yet?) and I was toying with it on tracks that had numerous other plugins... But there's no telling what could occur with some particular item as we've all seen too often...

    I had heard rumours about SynthEdit plugins causing problems, but none that I've used cause me any problems (not that I've used a lot of 'em)... You're welcome to have a copy and try it for yourself. It's small... only something like 1.8M file...


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    RE: OT: SynthEdit Help Needed 2008/12/08 12:34:16 (permalink)
    Not sure if I understand what you are trying to do but I recently did a delay on a vocal track for the chorus of the song only. I cloned the track and then moved the clone ever so slightly behind the original track and it was a more natural delay sound than any plugin I have used! Slip edited the clone to use only the choruses of the track. Way cool. Also had control over the panning of the delay that way.
    post edited by drumr - 2008/12/08 12:35:19
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    RE: OT: SynthEdit Help Needed 2008/12/08 12:48:38 (permalink)
    Keni ,

    I meant email them if what you wanted wasn't on that.. it's probably made for ONE stereo or one mono right? and from what I gathered before you want the L+R treated slightly differently..

    a few tweaks here / there for them might be an idea.. so thats what I mean when I wrote that.

    sometimes it's memory leaks with SE stuff or the plugin itself sending junk to the sequencer, BUT thats down to the maker of the plug.. they normally are pretty ok, but one I have.. it's really good for crashing things so I just use the samples out of it, and binned the engine.hehe
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    RE: OT: SynthEdit Help Needed 2008/12/08 13:30:58 (permalink)
    Thanks Everyone....

    Yes, I'm trying to replicate or improve on an effect I used to get from the Eventide Harmonizer 949.... It gave a very short (slap) stereo delay that would vary each side very slightly....

    What it does is create a more realistic width than a fixed position delay of the same sort... If it remains fixed say 27ms left and 30ms right, the 'feel' always draws your ear to the left more than the right as it occurs first.... when the delay times vary between left and right it does a more thorough job of convincing the ear....

    My new plugin Stereo DDL-X enables me to do this.... We'll see if the TeroDelay does as it has way more features than my bare-bones build....


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    RE: OT: SynthEdit Help Needed 2008/12/09 01:36:48 (permalink)
    If I wanted delay times to vary for each side I would probably use the Sonitus delay and add some automation for the L and R delay using Sonar's envelope drawing tools.

    You can use me as your eSoundz referral (altima_boy_2001).
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    RE: OT: SynthEdit Help Needed 2008/12/09 14:01:58 (permalink)
    Whew... That would be an awful lot of automation to write... Yes, it's what I want to be happening (more than using an lfo so far) as I really want to move the delay only 2-3 ms from it's "center"....

    I'm still trying to find a way to do this more elegantly.... I've been playing with shortening the range of lfo speed/freq to get down to that range....

    If you've got an idea of how I might impliment such, I'd love to hear it. I'm a real novice with SynthEdit, but as I've managed to build the gadget already, I think I could figure out how to impliment some mods to it.

    Why not download it and see if you can come up with any ideas? If you've got the time/inclination....

    Thanks...

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