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2008/12/14 23:46:42 (permalink)

OT - German software registrations

I just got an email from Steinberg (I have Groove Agent) saying that due to German privacy regulations I have to re-register GA on a new reg system Steinberg has. This is because, according to them, German privacy regulation prevent existing registrations from being intergated into their new system without the express permission of the customer.

I write here to let other people know about this and to ask a couple of questions: is this for real, and what about other German products, like Native Instruments software or others? Will we have to re-register at those as well? That can be a real pain for those of us with a lot of products from NI. I probably have a dozen or so things with them. Also, is it just Germany or the whole EU? What a nightmare.

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    inmazevo
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    RE: OT - German software registrations 2008/12/14 23:50:35 (permalink)
    I would suspect that this is only an issue in cross-company transfers, so it wouldn't touch companies like NI (who does their own registration code) or Ableton (who does their own registration code).
    Steinberg likes to out-source their copy protection to others.

    Just a theory, but I haven't heard anything from NI or Ableton, so...
    - zevo
    post edited by inmazevo - 2008/12/15 13:51:34
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    RE: OT - German software registrations 2008/12/15 09:05:25 (permalink)
    The reason you're more than likely seeing it with Steinberg is that Steinberg bought Syncrosoft a couple weeks ago, and is probably consolidating all the Syncrosoft license stuff on a new server.

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    RE: OT - German software registrations 2008/12/15 13:49:36 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: ew
    The reason you're more than likely seeing it with Steinberg is that Steinberg bought Syncrosoft a couple weeks ago, and is probably consolidating all the Syncrosoft license stuff on a new server.
    ew


    That's good to hear.
    A wise decision on their part, IMHO.

    - zevo
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    RE: OT - German software registrations 2008/12/15 16:33:55 (permalink)
    EW I saw that on kvr, but it's worrying to me.. I mean others use sycrosoft and they can turn around and change the goal posts. Yep it saves them a few $ / euros etc.. but well I am avoiding getting synco vst-i's such as rob papens stuff , which for me is a pity. Yer I like it but it's bad enough having one license (cubase) on that dongle.

    I don't mind the NI way of doing it, as it's not something I can stand on / lose in transit etc.
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    RE: OT - German software registrations 2008/12/15 19:40:19 (permalink)
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    EW I saw that on kvr, but it's worrying to me.. I mean others use sycrosoft and they can turn around and change the goal posts. Yep it saves them a few $ / euros etc.. but well I am avoiding getting synco vst-i's such as rob papens stuff , which for me is a pity. Yer I like it but it's bad enough having one license (cubase) on that dongle.
    I don't mind the NI way of doing it, as it's not something I can stand on / lose in transit etc.


    Quick question, since it will help me make a current purchase decision:
    Are there any known issues with Rob Papen's Sycrosoft stuff. I don't mean the dongle... I mean the e-version of the license (ie - activation).

    I've been quite interested in getting Blue, which comes with Albino 3 FREE until the end of the year. It's my understanding that these are NOT dongled anymore, but use a activation scheme... online. To me, this suggests that there isn't the need for the crap syncrosoft code running on your machine, which I will not tolerate EVER (I had a bad experience).

    Is this not correct?
    Anybody know?

    I'm not buying the synths if the also come with a goofy service running all the time.
    Activations I can handle. One-time checks, I can handle.
    Full-time, resource-taking, error-prone services, I will no longer tolerate.

    But I really want to take advantage of the 2-for-1 deal on these two.

    Ideas?
    Thoughts?

    Thanks,
    - zevo
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    RE: OT - German software registrations 2008/12/15 19:48:05 (permalink)
    zevo the only reason I found out was I saw the 2 for 1 offer and decided to try the demo.. after installing blue demo it decided..oh you have ya cubase dongle plugged in and started using it.

    I think there was a soft-e licenser though , but when I installed the demo it also installed syncro stuff . or you can ask to install it on say your mobile rig also.

    I'm deffo gonna get syntleth (lennar digital one) though as thats in a gorup buy and I was thinking to get it long ago.

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    RE: OT - German software registrations 2008/12/15 19:52:43 (permalink)
    What is there to install if it's activated?
    Is it a service?

    I don't know.
    I agree that companies need to protect their stuff, but enough is enough.

    If I:
    a - put in a code to make the install work
    b - put in a code in response to a code that the installer generates that associates the plugin with my machine

    LEAVE ME ALONE AFTER THAT.

    I'm really, really done with anything more than that.

    I'll email the Papen folks and ask for the specifics of what I'm getting, since what I really want to get is an instrument.

    Thanks, fog, and take care,
    - zevo
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    RE: OT - German software registrations 2008/12/15 20:25:39 (permalink)
    With Rob's stuff, you get a non-dongle eLicense. You can transfer it to a dongle if you wish; my Blue and Predator licenses are on one of my Syncrosoft dongles.
    However, you still need the LCC installed on your machine, dongle or not.

    ew
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    RE: OT - German software registrations 2008/12/16 06:38:22 (permalink)
    EW I found it strange it said it was installing the LCC again, even though it was present/latest version for my main dongled product.

    Since the LLC syncrosoft(?) was bought out by yamaha / steinberg.. well I'm gonna wait / see on that front. Saves them some money instead of licensing, but makes me think what is gonna change.
    post edited by Fog - 2008/12/16 06:40:20
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    RE: OT - German software registrations 2008/12/16 07:02:58 (permalink)
    +1


    My native instruments stuff is totally useless because of their "copy protection", all they are doing is punishing legitamate users
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    RE: OT - German software registrations 2008/12/16 07:42:34 (permalink)
    artsoul, I was referring to the physical dongle, I don't have any issues with the NI stuff because for me thats a halfway point (e.g. I can't break my hard drive too easily etc )
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    RE: OT - German software registrations 2008/12/16 08:26:17 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: artsoul

    +1


    My native instruments stuff is totally useless because of their "copy protection", all they are doing is punishing legitamate users

    How is NI punishing legit users? If you must have copy protection, their's is the least intrusive out there. In fact, it's almost like Cake's.

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    RE: OT - German software registrations 2008/12/16 09:02:15 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: jackn2mpu


    ORIGINAL: artsoul
    My native instruments stuff is totally useless because of their "copy protection", all they are doing is punishing legitamate users

    How is NI punishing legit users? If you must have copy protection, their's is the least intrusive out there. In fact, it's almost like Cake's.

    ... and how on earth does it make it 'totally useless'? This is incomprehensible to me. The software works. You have to register and authorize it. Then it does pretty much exactly what it says on the box. I am unable to see anything about this sequence of events that would render it 'totally useless' to you. It's totally useful to me, in any case...

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    RE: OT - German software registrations 2008/12/16 10:44:24 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: inmazevo

    What is there to install if it's activated?
    Is it a service?

    I don't know.
    I agree that companies need to protect their stuff, but enough is enough.

    If I:
    a - put in a code to make the install work
    b - put in a code in response to a code that the installer generates that associates the plugin with my machine

    LEAVE ME ALONE AFTER THAT.

    I'm really, really done with anything more than that.

    I'll email the Papen folks and ask for the specifics of what I'm getting, since what I really want to get is an instrument.

    Thanks, fog, and take care,
    - zevo



    apologies I meant to quote that reply---thats what the +1 was for

    I have endless trouble with NI stuff. the service centre constantly de-authorises my software.

    In my experience it is a totally flawed system

    when i pop a blank CD in i lose my NI stuff
    when i plug my USB key in I lose my NI stuff
    when i turn my V synth on i lose my NI stuff

    ergo as a legitamate user I am being punished by their "copy protection"

    I have emailed them numerous times and had very few replies
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    RE: OT - German software registrations 2008/12/16 10:59:34 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: artsoul
    when i pop a blank CD in i lose my NI stuff
    when i plug my USB key in I lose my NI stuff
    when i turn my V synth on i lose my NI stuff


    that in itself is rather bizarre, esp. the inserting the cd thing. Thing is why would it be doing that, the only thing I can think of that would knock out the NI stuff would be if some things either effecting the SC or the registry on your machine and the machine is 100% virus / worm / trojan free?


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    RE: OT - German software registrations 2008/12/16 11:18:13 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Fog


    ORIGINAL: artsoul
    when i pop a blank CD in i lose my NI stuff
    when i plug my USB key in I lose my NI stuff
    when i turn my V synth on i lose my NI stuff


    that in itself is rather bizarre, esp. the inserting the cd thing. Thing is why would it be doing that, the only thing I can think of that would knock out the NI stuff would be if some things either effecting the SC or the registry on your machine and the machine is 100% virus / worm / trojan free?




    All of it's bizarre. I've never heard of any of that happening. There's two reasons why that might happen that I can think of:

    1) a crack of a NI product that's either active or not completely uninstalled. Though in that case, you wouldn't usually be able to activate at all.
    2) a virus or worm on your machine.

    What I'd do if I were you, artsoul; post in the product installation and activation forum and describe the issue.

    http://www.native-instruments.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=156

    ew

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    RE: OT - German software registrations 2008/12/16 14:27:12 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: ew
    With Rob's stuff, you get a non-dongle eLicense. You can transfer it to a dongle if you wish; my Blue and Predator licenses are on one of my Syncrosoft dongles.
    However, you still need the LCC installed on your machine, dongle or not.
    ew


    Ahh, bummer.
    I'll look into Circle or Zebra then.

    Thanks for the info,
    - zevo
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