How about a built in Concrete Limiter just before the Main Outs?
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Or would that be making it too easy?
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Re:How about a built in Concrete Limiter just before the Main Outs?
April 12, 12 8:24 PM
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HA HA HA YEAH CAUSE NOBODY KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND THEY'D JUST FALL FOR IT CAUSE EVERYONE'S TOTALLY INCOMPETENT AND CLUELESS HA HA OH GOD MY LIFE IS SO EMPTY.
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Re:How about a built in Concrete Limiter just before the Main Outs?
April 12, 12 8:31 PM
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Or would that be making it too easy?
You are kidding right?
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Re:How about a built in Concrete Limiter just before the Main Outs?
April 12, 12 8:31 PM
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Or would that be making it too easy?
It might not suit everyone. I suppose if you could disengage it and pretend it's not there it would be OK.
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Re:How about a built in Concrete Limiter just before the Main Outs?
April 12, 12 8:34 PM
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I think a better solution would be to just allow free routing between normal FX and ProChannel FX so that one can put the Concrete Limiter at the very end if wanted. Would allow for more flexibility IMO.
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Re:How about a built in Concrete Limiter just before the Main Outs?
April 12, 12 8:36 PM
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I think a better solution would be to just allow free routing between normal FX and ProChannel FX so that one can put the Concrete Limiter at the very end if wanted. Would allow for more flexibility IMO.
You can do that now.
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Re:How about a built in Concrete Limiter just before the Main Outs?
April 12, 12 8:36 PM
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HA HA HA YEAH CAUSE NOBODY KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND THEY'D JUST FALL FOR IT CAUSE EVERYONE'S TOTALLY INCOMPETENT AND CLUELESS HA HA OH GOD MY LIFE IS SO EMPTY.
Haha Poor Mr T he's gone like Herbert Lom having to deal with Clouseau.... 
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Re:How about a built in Concrete Limiter just before the Main Outs?
April 12, 12 8:46 PM
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I prefer the way it is now. I'm free to place it anywhere I need it.
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Re:How about a built in Concrete Limiter just before the Main Outs?
April 12, 12 10:44 PM
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What do you mean making it too easy?
Like making it too easy to squash your mix,to make it instantly modern radio friendly sounding?
I guess some really cheesy new Daw,could have something set up like that built in,without letting the user know,so they instantly get a nicely squashed mix,no matter what they impart to the project?.......frightening.
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Re:How about a built in Concrete Limiter just before the Main Outs?
April 12, 12 10:59 PM
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This could be a secrete attempt to win the loudness wars. Slip a limiter in the master buss unknown to the poor X1 user.
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Re:How about a built in Concrete Limiter just before the Main Outs?
April 12, 12 11:02 PM
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aaaaahhh...sneaky sneaky...
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Re:How about a built in Concrete Limiter just before the Main Outs?
April 12, 12 11:02 PM
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Concrete limiter colours the sound too much IMO, I certainly wouldn't want that permanently fixed at the end of my main outs!
@vaultwit I'm all up for better routing between PC modules and VST`s though.
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Re:How about a built in Concrete Limiter just before the Main Outs?
April 12, 12 11:07 PM
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vaultwit
I think a better solution would be to just allow free routing between normal FX and ProChannel FX so that one can put the Concrete Limiter at the very end if wanted. Would allow for more flexibility IMO.
You can do that now.
You cannot freely route between ProChannel effects and normal VST effects in the same track. You can put PC before or after the FX bin, but that's all. You cannot have something like PC EQ > Sonitus compressor > PC Softube knob > Vocal Strip > Concrete Limiter in the same track.
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Re:How about a built in Concrete Limiter just before the Main Outs?
April 12, 12 11:30 PM
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Re:How about a built in Concrete Limiter just before the Main Outs?
April 12, 12 11:31 PM
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vaultwit
I think a better solution would be to just allow free routing between normal FX and ProChannel FX so that one can put the Concrete Limiter at the very end if wanted. Would allow for more flexibility IMO.
You can do that now.
You cannot freely route between ProChannel effects and normal VST effects in the same track. You can put PC before or after the FX bin, but that's all. You cannot have something like PC EQ > Sonitus compressor > PC Softube knob > Vocal Strip > Concrete Limiter in the same track.
I agree with what you are saying now but that was not what you said before. You said "one can not have the CL as the last thing on the master buss".
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Re:How about a built in Concrete Limiter just before the Main Outs?
April 12, 12 11:32 PM
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I'm confused, you can always add a "Master" bus and engage the Concrete Limiter on it. Sheesh, it's what I do. And if you want a gob of other effects just add another bus to the routing. I also have a "Submaster" bus that receives everything and it has my mixing sauce plugs on it.
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Re:How about a built in Concrete Limiter just before the Main Outs?
April 12, 12 11:46 PM
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John
I agree with what you are saying now but that was not what you said before. You said "one can not have the CL as the last thing on the master buss".
Woops, meant to say "JUST the concrete limiter as the last thing on the master bus." My apologies
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Re:How about a built in Concrete Limiter just before the Main Outs?
April 12, 12 11:48 PM
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It already has one. It's called 0dBFS.
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Re:How about a built in Concrete Limiter just before the Main Outs?
April 12, 12 11:49 PM
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John
I agree with what you are saying now but that was not what you said before. You said "one can not have the CL as the last thing on the master buss".
Woops, meant to say "JUST the concrete limiter as the last thing on the master bus." My apologies
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Re:How about a built in Concrete Limiter just before the Main Outs?
April 13, 12 1:17 AM
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I don't mind a little concrete in my cake. But the OPs idea of a nebulous DMZ between busses and the hardware outs is a dangerous game of routing intrigue. Can we route the fx bin pre or post to this DMZ? Hmmmm.
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Re:How about a built in Concrete Limiter just before the Main Outs?
April 13, 12 4:56 AM
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If you wanted it to be permanent fixture, just add it to your Normal Template, or is that too simple?
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Re:How about a built in Concrete Limiter just before the Main Outs?
April 13, 12 7:36 AM
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What do you mean making it too easy?
Like making it too easy to squash your mix,to make it instantly modern radio friendly sounding?
I guess some really cheesy new Daw,could have something set up like that built in,without letting the user know,so they instantly get a nicely squashed mix,no matter what they impart to the project?.......frightening.
I could be mistaken, but I'm guessing Mike just meant for the purpose of avoiding digital clipping and/or saving your monitors by having it set to 0dBFS, as opposed to the purpose of squashing a mix.
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Re:How about a built in Concrete Limiter just before the Main Outs?
April 13, 12 10:42 AM
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It already has one. It's called 0dBFS.
That's funny! It's also very true, although probably not the style of limiting many would want. Made me chuckle though...
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