2 PCIe Graphic cards

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2008/12/20 15:48:21 (permalink)

2 PCIe Graphic cards

Will 2 PCIe graphic cards in the same pc affect anything. There the Geforece6200 and a Radeon X1300. I have a 3rd LCD monitor and an X1300 card in my closset. I ws wanting to add a 3rd monitor to my set up and put my monitors on stands so my desk will fit all 3 screens
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    Fog
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    RE: 2 PCIe Graphic cards 2008/12/20 15:51:20 (permalink)
    my pc has an on-board card, which I have disabled , but could re-enable to get that 3rd monitor.. although it's 1/3 of the power of my 7600gt from what the benchmarks say. (and not so good for call of duty )

    only thing with it , well my main concern is IRQ usage..
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    RE: 2 PCIe Graphic cards 2008/12/20 16:16:08 (permalink)
    It should be just fine CJ as long as you have the right number of slots. But you should be sure that the cards are compatible with one another.

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    RE: 2 PCIe Graphic cards 2008/12/20 16:23:50 (permalink)
    But you should be sure that the cards are compatible with one another.

    And theres only one way to find out..LOL
    my pc has an on-board card, which I have disabled

    I built mine and it doesnt have an onboard one. I wish it did now
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    RE: 2 PCIe Graphic cards 2008/12/20 17:15:07 (permalink)
    I have 1 PCI-e graphics card and 1 PCI graphics card. Both dual head cards. In theory this shoul be worse than 2 PCI-e cards, but I havent noticed any problems at all and I love the extra desktop space....
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    RE: 2 PCIe Graphic cards 2008/12/20 18:57:55 (permalink)
    CJ, still takes an IRQ though.. although obviously 1 less slot taken and well I don't have a lot of free slots on my machine now, but for FPS games the more beefy the card the better.

    there are the quad ones though, I'm sure I've seen Jim talking about them here.. but well guess you pay a premium for that.

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    RE: 2 PCIe Graphic cards 2008/12/20 19:02:30 (permalink)
    you want both crds to be the same chipset
    ati or nvidia...
    2 card set ups can be trouble
    the Quadro 440 is a better option
    or look at the Matrox dual/triple head to go

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    RE: 2 PCIe Graphic cards 2008/12/20 19:11:23 (permalink)
    I'm getting some pops and clicks with mouse movements with my Nvidia card with the latest drivers.
    Im hoping an ATI video card will help. I might get this fanless one. I dont wanna spend over a hundred bucks.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161203
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    RE: 2 PCIe Graphic cards 2008/12/20 19:53:17 (permalink)
    I'm getting some pops and clicks with mouse movements with my Nvidia card with the latest drivers.

    with 2 cards??
    you want both crds to be the same chipset
    ati or nvidia...

    Thats what i was thinking also. I have one of each right now. I may, durring my Xmas holliday vacation try and see if it works.
    CJ, still takes an IRQ though

    Yea, but i have allot of slots open. I have a newly built pc. Im not really worried about an IRQ conflict. I can easily move things around if that happens. But it looks like i may have problems, since i have 2 different cards.
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    RE: 2 PCIe Graphic cards 2008/12/20 20:43:10 (permalink)
    As far as I'm aware you can have 2 graphics cards in one pc for 2 reasons only - either to run SLI configuration purely for extra gaming power only, or to gain more visual outputs BUT for 2 cards to exist like this one needs to be an AGP card (obviously in an AGP slot) and the other to be PCI / PCIe (in respective slot also).

    I ran 1xAGP and 1xPCI (both nVidia cards) for ages just fine running 3 monitors. Now I'm running 4 monitors I have the PCIe nVidia NVS 440 which not only was cheap (new from eBay) but is seriously easy to setup (takes couple of mins to configure).

    You may be ok with chucking the 2 cards you have now into one pc, but it could totally screw up the cards and the rest of your computer instead - I wouldn't (un-neccessarily) risk all that.

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    RE: 2 PCIe Graphic cards 2008/12/20 21:05:40 (permalink)
    So 2 PCIe cards is a no no
    BUT for 2 cards to exist like this one needs to be an AGP card (obviously in an AGP slot) and the other to be PCI / PCIe (in respective slot also).

    I dont mind getting another graphic card to do this.
    You may be ok with chucking the 2 cards you have now into one pc, but it could totally screw up the cards and the rest of your computer instead - I wouldn't (un-neccessarily) risk all that.

    That a risk i dont want
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    RE: 2 PCIe Graphic cards 2008/12/20 22:41:45 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: CJaysMusic

    I'm getting some pops and clicks with mouse movements with my Nvidia card with the latest drivers.

    with 2 cards??



    No with just one card.
    Sorry to hijack the thread man.
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    RE: 2 PCIe Graphic cards 2008/12/21 06:24:26 (permalink)
    So 2 PCIe cards is a no no

    As far as I'm aware, this is (big) no no (when not in SLI configuration).

    I dont mind getting another graphic card to do this

    Sounds like you're gonna have to if you wan to run your 3rd monitor. Get either the nVidia NVS 440, or the equivalent cards (dunno what they are as I wanted to stick with nVidia)

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    RE: 2 PCIe Graphic cards 2008/12/21 07:32:05 (permalink)
    my pc has an on-board card, which I have disabled

    I built mine and it doesnt have an onboard one. I wish it did now

    Onboard graphics is never recommended for a DAW, for gaming, media editing or anything processor intensive. It makes use of the main processor and RAM and subtracts from the overall performance of the system.

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    RE: 2 PCIe Graphic cards 2008/12/21 07:47:52 (permalink)
    What about something that was raised in the 3gb switch thread about the more video ram, the more it eats into the address space and the less you have available to Sonar or other apps?

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    RE: 2 PCIe Graphic cards 2008/12/21 09:35:40 (permalink)
    What about something that was raised in the 3gb switch thread about the more video ram, the more it eats into the address space and the less you have available to Sonar or other apps?

    Onboard graphics' use of the system RAM is far less an issue than its use of the processor.

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    RE: 2 PCIe Graphic cards 2008/12/21 09:58:17 (permalink)
    I dunno Kev, in the sense of a DAW isn't too taxing graphically on the audio stuff, for sure.. for gaming sure (what you mean you lot don't play call of duty? )... and video rendering ... photoshop etc..

    the fact it's only one monitor, and not 2 I'd be supporting with the onboard. it runs 1/3 slower than my pci graphics card..

    it all uses the same bus etc at the end of the day. The memory thing, well yep it does chew a bit of the onboard , but my pc is 3gb now, so 256 out of that isn't that massive an impact, can't recall but in the bios I think I can switch it to use 128 also.

    the on boards now are decent enough for general usage, graphically a DAW doesn't overly push the chipset of whatever it is and in some cases you might not have a spare slot for the card.. so it works out good in that sense.



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    RE: 2 PCIe Graphic cards 2008/12/21 11:27:10 (permalink)
    I don't know how much of the processor's time it needs, but even if it is only a few percent that it still too much . Enabling onboard graphics is a step in the wrong direction if you are trying to maximise performance for audio recording and mixing.

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    RE: 2 PCIe Graphic cards 2008/12/21 12:05:44 (permalink)
    I don't know how much of the processor's time it needs, but even if it is only a few percent that it still too much

    Without wanting to become arguementative about this - you can't really make and justify a statement of fact like this based purely upon personal opinion. It may be bad for you and good for another. You may care about it, another may not give a rats-ass


    Enabling onboard graphics is a step in the wrong direction if you are trying to maximise performance for audio recording and mixing.

    Again, maybe someone's not worried about potential performance/utilisation issues - for example: my systems are slightly overkill so I wouldn't care less if I'm losing something I'm not using - as long as what I want to work actually works then there's no issue. Besides, as you stated, it's just a step, so it's not a complete absolute defining factor.


    FWIW: I temporarily used my onboard graphics on slave pc (before I setup the remote desktop connection) and yes it worked jus fine - apart from the meter bars in console view weren't refreshing quite as quickly as if on PCI(e) card, but it isn't something I'd think as being too significant.

    At the end of day you can run either onboard or PCI(e) and they'll work - it's just a matter of personal preference with cost, motherboard choice, graphics card choice, memory availability and general requirements you place onto your pc(s), your work, and yourself.


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    RE: 2 PCIe Graphic cards 2008/12/22 07:25:37 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Kev999

    What about something that was raised in the 3gb switch thread about the more video ram, the more it eats into the address space and the less you have available to Sonar or other apps?

    Onboard graphics' use of the system RAM is far less an issue than its use of the processor.

    If you re-read my post I was not talking about using system ram as such as I was talking about usage of ram address space. And I also was not talking about onboard graphics either. If you had read the thread I mentioned you'd see where it was brought up that graphics cards (not onboard) even though they have their own memory still use system ram address space and if you want the max useable ram for Sonar you don't necessarily want a video card with huge amounts of memory.

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    RE: 2 PCIe Graphic cards 2008/12/22 15:20:14 (permalink)
    Enabling onboard graphics is a step in the wrong direction if you are trying to maximise performance for audio recording and mixing.

    ...maybe someone's not worried about potential performance/utilisation issues - for example: my systems are slightly overkill so I wouldn't care less if I'm losing something I'm not using - as long as what I want to work actually works then there's no issue...maybe someone's not worried about potential performance/utilisation issues

    Well, audio recording and mixing tend to push a PC to its limits and I have seen countless posts on these forums that refer to PC tweaks and upgrades to achieve lower latencies, higher resolutions, more simultaneous effects running, less need for freezing tracks, and so on. I have been assuming that everybody is looking to maximise performance. It seems I was wrong.
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    RE: 2 PCIe Graphic cards 2008/12/22 15:26:11 (permalink)
    If you re-read my post I was not talking about using system ram as such as I was talking about usage of ram address space. And I also was not talking about onboard graphics either...

    Sorry, I did misread it.

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    RE: 2 PCIe Graphic cards 2008/12/22 15:52:18 (permalink)
    I have 2 EVGA Nividia 8600GT cards, each driving one 22" monitor. They're not in SLI mode. No issues.


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    RE: 2 PCIe Graphic cards 2008/12/22 17:06:21 (permalink)

    Same here - 2 XFX PCIe 8600GT's. One driving two 22" monitors, the other driving a 32" LCD TV.





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    I have 2 EVGA Nividia 8600GT cards, each driving one 22" monitor. They're not in SLI mode. No issues.


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