Wave Editors around $300

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2009/01/23 10:31:05 (permalink)

Wave Editors around $300

I'm looking for some consensus on wave editors particularly with innovative editing functionality the same way Cakewalk has mastered MIDI editing. I have an Alesis I/O 26 that does OK with Sonar 7HS, and great with Audition 1.5, but abysmal with ver. 3.0 (BSOD CITY...DON'T GO THERE!). So, considering the incompatibility with Audition 3.0, I'm window shopping (no pun intended) for a good wave editor that has multitrack capability. I looked at SoundForge, and worked with ver. 6 about 10 yrs. ago before they had multitrack capability. I also looked at M-Audio's ver. of Pro-Tools. I just wanted to get a feel for any consensus for any pkgs around $300 (street) that experienced folks here have worked with that has no driver glitches, and a lot of editing functionality. I'm not so concerned about FX since I've got more than I can shake a stick at already, and I'm sure whatever I get will have plenty of good ones anyway. MIDI editing is not a priority either since Sonar does that better than any I've seen, and I'm too old a dawg to change that trick.

BTW, tell any and all friends that are considering Audition or Adobe in ANY version, not to go there. I'm having to wait 2 weeks just to get my card credited back for a download purchase. Furthermore, their customer service is all foreign outsourcing, and you might as well be talking to a robot.

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    The Maillard Reaction
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    RE: Wave Editors around $300 2009/01/23 10:42:43 (permalink)
    innovative?

    you mean like a new fangled sewing machine?

    My comfort zone is in Adobe Audition... I go back to Cool Edit and just like the way it "thinks". I work very quickly in there.

    I think the best wave editor is WaveLab... hands down no contest.

    I own a license for Sound Forge 9 but just don't like the feel of the gui... I feel out of place in that program. I use it for the pencil feature now and then.

    Audacity kicks serious but for the price... I guess that's innovative.

    There are others like Goldwave etc you could try.

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    RE: Wave Editors around $300 2009/01/23 10:50:55 (permalink)
    Steinberg's WaveLab 6 is on sale right now at some places. The list is currently $549, but I'm sure you can find it much cheaper than that from some online retailers. WaveLab is, and has been for some years now, one of the best audio editing packages in the world. I highly recommend it, even if you have to go a bit higher than $300 to get it. Do some online price comparisons.

    I also agree with Mike above in his comments about Sound Forge.

    (And don't tell anybody, but I still use the old Cool Edit Pro 2 [the predecessor to Adobe Audition that was made by Syntrillium before they sold out to Adobe] once in a while. I don't think you can buy it anymore, since it's so old, but it runs just fine under Vista with UAC disabled and in XP compatability mode.)
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    RE: Wave Editors around $300 2009/01/23 11:35:39 (permalink)
    Don't know if you can find any for $300, but most of the companies do sell scaled-down versions of their products. The top three (in alphabetical order) are:

    * Adobe Audition

    * Sony Sound Forge

    * Steinberg WaveLab

    And there are also some free ones like Audacity...

    * Audacity Cross-Platform Audio Editor (Free)

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    RE: Wave Editors around $300 2009/01/23 14:07:02 (permalink)
    AMAZING how well ALL of us agree on SO many pts. I too, had Cool Edit 1.0, and cried like a baby when Adobe bought them out, and I now know I had good reason to, due to their refund policy. Not that I don't thoroughly enjoy working in Au 1.5, and 3.0 felt good too, but something in the development stage did NOT agree with my Alesis. Apparently they were developed at about the same time, so there was no way to test them on each other.

    SoundForge? I felt the same way you guys did.

    I just took a look at WaveLabs 6 Studio ($299) and it appears quite impressive. That does seem to be the pkg that's a step above the others.

    Now, I need to figure a way I can sell my body to science to pay for it.

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    RE: Wave Editors around $300 2009/01/23 15:43:00 (permalink)
    abysmal with ver. 3.0 (BSOD CITY...DON'T GO THERE!). So, considering the incompatibility with Audition 3.0, I'm window shopping (no pun intended) for a good wave editor


    What incompatibility? I use AA every day with SONAR. (Just as a wave editor, though, not as a multitrack recorder.)

    And it works great, whether I'm doing filtering, limiting, noise removal, de-clipping, spectral editing or de-essing.

    Of course, just because it works for me doesn't mean you're imagining your problems. There could very well be an incompatibility with your sound card driver or some other component - but there is no fundamental incompatibility with SONAR.


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    RE: Wave Editors around $300 2009/01/23 15:48:16 (permalink)
    BitFlipper,

    By incompatibility, I didn't mean with Sonar, I meant with my Alesis I/O 26.

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    RE: Wave Editors around $300 2009/01/23 16:55:58 (permalink)
    Odd man out here. I owned WaveLab years ago and, while it was nice, all it took me was about an hour with the Sound Forge 9 demo to realize that I liked it far better. I find it more stable, quicker, easier, and more intuitive to get around in, and it comes with the Izotope mastering bundle, all for about the same price as my WaveLab upgrade would've cost me at the time IIRC. And, it's not a Steinberg product. It was a no-brainer for me and I've never looked back.

    As far as Audacity goes, I don't think there's a better freeware app in the universe. It's excellent, intuitive, lean and mean, and does the basics and more with ease. I'd recommend checking it out before you spend any money - it might just suit your needs.

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    RE: Wave Editors around $300 2009/01/23 19:39:35 (permalink)

    Wavelab. The ''Essentials'' version is only $100+. Check to see if you can live without the differences found in Wavelab 6. Otherwise, I can't tell you how amazing this program is. Plus, you get a full-fledged Mastering program!

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    RE: Wave Editors around $300 2009/01/24 01:48:24 (permalink)
    Sound Forge. The batch editor is worth the price of admission.

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    RE: Wave Editors around $300 2009/01/24 09:33:03 (permalink)
    The thing about Wavelab is that it has the most powerful analysis tools. If you find your self searching down errors and glitches Wavelab has the very best search and decide what to do tools.

    It's my impression that Audition and Sound forge have identical analysis capability although it's presented in different ways...I purposefully purchased the license to Sound Forge 9 ( I also had an old old version from a ACID 1 purchase) because some folks expressed a preference for it's high powered analysis tools... which I immediately recognized as only duplicating what I was accustomed to in Audition.

    It made me wonder if people who prefer Soundforge have spent much time in the other 2 programs... because the claims of unique features I had heard seemed to not really describe unique features. No biggie... it just made me wonder.

    So to me those programs should be compared with an eye for for whatever gui you prefer... otherwise they seem very similar. Soundforge does have the pencil tool... but Wavelab's pencil is more comfortable too use.

    Wavelab, however goes far beyond both of those programs in it's ability to let you use the analysis tools to move through a file and consider each instance of an issue and let you make the best decision... and that's a huge benefit should you find yourself trying to do that sort of work.

    anyways, there all good it just depends what you enjoy or need.

    best regards,
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    post edited by mike_mccue - 2009/01/24 09:37:07


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    RE: Wave Editors around $300 2009/01/24 13:27:34 (permalink)
    Mike, you've voiced something I've mused on for a couple years: once you get past the capabilities of any given software app, what it really comes down to is finding a gui and workflow that matches your creative perspective and flow. I tried a friend's Cool Edit a few years back, and it was so intuitive that I ended up buying AA 1.5 almost immediately. I've tried the light versions of Wavelab and Sound Forge, but they never quite made as much sense as AA's setup did. Maybe the biggest thing is finding software designed by people whose thinking process is similar to yours!

    Cheers,

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    RE: Wave Editors around $300 2009/01/24 15:35:05 (permalink)
    The thing about Wavelab is that it has the most powerful analysis tools. If you find your self searching down errors and glitches Wavelab has the very best search and decide what to do tools.

    Mike, you've piqued my interest. Although I am quite comfortable with Audition, I'm always open to alternatives. Could you perhaps elaborate a little on this? Maybe a screenshot or two?

    EDIT:
    Uh, never mind. The dongle is a deal-killer for me.
    post edited by bitflipper - 2009/01/24 16:29:17


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    RE: Wave Editors around $300 2009/01/24 17:52:05 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: bitflipper

    The thing about Wavelab is that it has the most powerful analysis tools. If you find your self searching down errors and glitches Wavelab has the very best search and decide what to do tools.

    Mike, you've piqued my interest. Although I am quite comfortable with Audition, I'm always open to alternatives. Could you perhaps elaborate a little on this? Maybe a screenshot or two?

    EDIT:
    Uh, never mind. The dongle is a deal-killer for me.


    Bitflipper, the Essentials version does not have a dongle...unless they just added it.

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    RE: Wave Editors around $300 2009/01/24 19:25:15 (permalink)
    Bit,
    It's just a dialog box where you can "find" the next glitch... it shows you the glitch... you can set a marker or fix it immediately, manually by hand with the pencil or automatically with some presets if you into that sort of thing.

    It's a lot of work but at least the part the computer can do the finding and presenting the glitches automatically so you save a lot of time that way.

    It very much like find next (F3) in a text file.

    best regards,
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    RE: Wave Editors around $300 2009/01/24 20:04:10 (permalink)
    That's a cool feature. I can see where that would be very handy if you're salvaging a badly munged file (maybe you should suggest it to Metallica's engineers).

    I think Audition has something like that, too. At least, I know it has a button in the Amplitude Statistics dialog to jump to the first "possibly clipped sample" (or to the highest sample, lowest sample, etc.). Unfortunately, I've never used the drawing tool to fix overs and I have no clipped files to try it with. But it looks easy enough.

    Audition has some nifty automated restoration processes, including one called "clip restoration", which repairs clipped sections. I tried it once and it worked, but that one time is the extent of my experience with it.


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    RE: Wave Editors around $300 2009/01/24 20:10:32 (permalink)
    By incompatibility, I didn't mean with Sonar, I meant with my Alesis I/O 26.

    I was going to suggest trying the ASIO driver instead of the Adobe driver, so I pulled up Audition and did that and guess what? Audition crashed! I put it back to "Audition 3.0 Windows Sound" and all is well again.






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    RE: Wave Editors around $300 2009/01/25 11:08:31 (permalink)
    Wavelab, hands down the best... for the metering and the way it lets you chain plugins.
    edit- WOW, I just saw this x-grade offer @ Sweetwater available to Sonar owners for the full version of Wavelab 6... only $299.
    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/WaveLabCross
    post edited by Anubis - 2009/01/25 16:04:05

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