cover tunes in the songs forum

I have the utmost respect for someone wanting to work on recording and production skills.

Well that's pretty much I think what a recording and production application vendors site would be for, no? My only beef here would be one where someone isn't using Cake products.

Why should it be a problem somebody showcasing their arrangement skills written or covered using Cake tools to do the job?

Do you actually write with your Cake product, or do you use piano, guitar or some other means? Wouldn't YOU be better served on a bona-fide 'writers' forum?

What do you think of my own tunes though?...

LOL, I'm just putting it out there, sure we all like feedback on our own stuff, and sometimes aiming at something that other folk recognize can give a good outline of where you are at in the engineering stakes.

I don't have a preference one way or the other but I agree the Songs forum is sure busy presently...but I'd rather that than posting to the crew of the Marie Celeste which is what it's like on many other Songs forums.

There's always more people making a noise than there are listeners, walk into any bar if you need confirmation of that...

As far as collab'ing goes just PM the people that are 'doing it for you' with their stuff with an invite to join in...worst case scenario they say no. But if that stuff all happens in private no-one gets hurt...'cause we do seem to be a sensitive bunch.

There's always more people making a noise than there are listeners, walk into any bar if you need confirmation of that...

yea thats why i stay at home and work on my own stuff, and yes
i have checked out your stuff and i like it. for example the mix
on mamabears piano works on some tunes.

very nice

maybe thats my point. lets keep quality in check so that all can
have some sort of information or something to help us grow and
learn

jimmy

Hi Jimmy,
People do covers for numerous reasons - those covers might be going on a demo or even on a CD (with appropriate compensation to the copyright holder, of course!). production of the song including mixing and mastering are just as necessary on covers as they are on originals and the songs forum here doesn't specify that covers aren't allowed.

I completely agree with what Jon wrote - my beef would be if someone is using the forum for critiques on stuff not created with sonar products, not if they're covers or not.

and even within covers, some folks use backing trakcs they get off the net...different to doing the whole song urself...i don't mind covers IF it clearly has 'cover' in the title...

I do covers simply because it's bloody good fun. Really I record with my friends and family as the intended audience. It was only by chance that I discovered this forum and expanded thereby my circle of friends. I think it would be superfluous to have a separate forum for covers.

And if someone wants to sue me for a non-profit cover, let them have at it. Their attorney will cost way more than they can take from me

notice that spacey and cryophonic are not being defencive about cover tunes while some of you are.

ethier some of you are not reading my post all the way through
or are taking one phrase or sentence and turning it into me saying
covers should not be allowed.

then after one of you does this others jump on the bandwagon.

I never said covers should not be allowed. yet some of you make
it sound that way.

my post is all about the idea of having a writers forum and a
covers forum and it is because the songs forum is getting so
full of post that some people dont get fair play in responces
and feedback.

if evreyone is posting cover tunes then the writers get bumped
down without a chance of getting heard (at least much)

and if everyone is posting writen matereil then the cover tunes get
bumped down likewise.

and how many of these post are even cakewalk users?

the songs forum has gotten very busy in the last couple of
months, Is someone going to post the next brad paisley tune
just because they added more bass to the song?

cryophonik asked "what about remixse" that was a good
question id say remixes of what cover or writen? and one
question may raise another. thats why i was wondering about
this subject.

to see what other people think about giving "everyone" a
chance to be "in the list" before getting lost in the pages..

what if writers took over the songs forum and just started
blasting out stuff you know? anything just to be first on the list.

what if cover tunes did the same?

all of a sudden we have a forum so busy that a monster is created.

also my post here is not about me or what should be allowed. its
about all of us caring about the use of forums and about others
learning and growing (but i said that before)

the forums dont belong to one person or one group of people. we all
have to share.

its sort of like this , what if there was only one forum? the sonar
songs, teneques. mc, coffee house and all the others did not exist.

only one forum then where would we be? yet i seem to get
resistence when i ask about the idea of a writers forum and a
covers forum. i never said covers were a bad thing. so why the
defence?

as a matter of fact i implyed that they should get more attention
by having there own forum as an idea..

i myself havent posted a song of mine in the songs forum in a
while. ive got at a hundred tunes i could post right now. i even let
my last post slip on down into the pages without responding much
just so others could have a place on the first page.

i help others stay on the frist page by giving feedback. while my
stuff is now down the line. i will be back of course and start
posting again but at the time i just wanted to let evreyone else
have some time.

and im not as quick to post my stuff either as i once was. why?
i learned a "lot" from posting my songs from the members. and i
took the feedback seruese. im now working on my tunes with more
delegence now because of what ive learned there.

jimmy

Blimey, man, maybe try and get a paper bag and do some deep breathing exercises with it.

No one that has posted here has got defensive about anything until the verbose rant below appeared. You expressed a point of view and an idea of splitting the songs forum up....hey ho.

Other folk have expressed their views too. Maybe it's a good idea maybe it ain't I'm not fussed either way it didn't look like anyone else was either but it's clearly bothering you so why not suggest it to the moderators instead of spitting yer dummy out over everyone.

All I know is when I first got Sonar I didn't have much of a clue what to do with it so I turned to those that we're demonstrating it's use in the Songs forum. That is what I understood it's functional relationship with the product was...not to brag about how much more artistic integrity over anyone else I may or not have.

As an aid to helping me get to grips with the product the Songs forum and the folk on it have and continue to be a priceless asset toward that end, but thats just my take on it, YMMV.

But if you think it needs changing why not talk to those that can accommodate those wishes instead of bleating here like a wounded lamb?

ORIGINAL: jimmyman



notice that spacey and cryophonic are not being defencive about cover tunes while some of you are.

ethier some of you are not reading my post all the way through
or are taking one phrase or sentence and turning it into me saying
covers should not be allowed.

then after one of you does this others jump on the bandwagon.

I never said covers should not be allowed. yet some of you make
it sound that way.

my post is all about the idea of having a writers forum and a
covers forum and it is because the songs forum is getting so
full of post that some people dont get fair play in responces
and feedback.

if evreyone is posting cover tunes then the writers get bumped
down without a chance of getting heard (at least much)

and if everyone is posting writen matereil then the cover tunes get
bumped down likewise.

and how many of these post are even cakewalk users?

the songs forum has gotten very busy in the last couple of
months, Is someone going to post the next brad paisley tune
just because they added more bass to the song?

cryophonik asked "what about remixse" that was a good
question id say remixes of what cover or writen? and one
question may raise another. thats why i was wondering about
this subject.

to see what other people think about giving "everyone" a
chance to be "in the list" before getting lost in the pages..

what if writers took over the songs forum and just started
blasting out stuff you know? anything just to be first on the list.

what if cover tunes did the same?

all of a sudden we have a forum so busy that a monster is created.

also my post here is not about me or what should be allowed. its
about all of us caring about the use of forums and about others
learning and growing (but i said that before)

the forums dont belong to one person or one group of people. we all
have to share.

its sort of like this , what if there was only one forum? the sonar
songs, teneques. mc, coffee house and all the others did not exist.

only one forum then where would we be? yet i seem to get
resistence when i ask about the idea of a writers forum and a
covers forum. i never said covers were a bad thing. so why the
defence?

as a matter of fact i implyed that they should get more attention
by having there own forum as an idea..

i myself havent posted a song of mine in the songs forum in a
while. ive got at a hundred tunes i could post right now. i even let
my last post slip on down into the pages without responding much
just so others could have a place on the first page.

i help others stay on the frist page by giving feedback. while my
stuff is now down the line. i will be back of course and start
posting again but at the time i just wanted to let evreyone else
have some time.

and im not as quick to post my stuff either as i once was. why?
i learned a "lot" from posting my songs from the members. and i
took the feedback seruese. im now working on my tunes with more
delegence now because of what ive learned there.

jimmy

hey jonboy

ive read many post on these forums where people were
misunderstood. they got together and worked it out. reading
just words can sometimes be misleading.

if i go to any forum and say anything it can be interpredted
as any number of things. id like to share thoughts and things
ive learned. not bost about knowledge. knowledge is esseitental
in our world but im not the einstine by any means and dont clame
to be.

just look at my spelling and youll see that. it is apparent i
said something wrong or worded incorrectly. im human and
i make mistakes but i hope i can be forgiven if i ever offend
anyone.

i care about other people. maybe sometimes talking about
life or subjects gets twisted in the comunication.

even one single word can change everything. if there is anything
i can do to make us freinds rather than the opposite id glady do.

my ancesters are from england hence my last name gentry.
is my way of speaking an american born person who is cuat
up in a culture of confusion?

am i american or english. i was born in a little country town.
oh man now im really confused. should i say mate instead of
freind?

i do hope though that we can be freinds. maybe my trousers
were too tight when i posted this post.

jimmy

Well, that's why I wrote my last tune while up in the mountains. It's just that way.. I'm new up here I have been a talk radio listener for years and hardly listen to any new music. I only play what I write now, but also did covers with many bands.. I haven't seen any offense or defense in this thread, for the most part. I can see all sides That's probably because I have enough problems outside my music life that I'll go along with most things here. I have used Cakewalk since the early 90,s. I even used a 4 track program called "quad" from Turtle beach before that.. Man, my computer monitor weighed more than my car. I am so happy that the SONGS forum is there. I respect all of you and will be happy to listen to whatever you post. Jimmy, I totally understood what you said and it's not a bad idea. Maybe it will come to that. Most ideas are presented long before they are accepted. Thanks to all of you. Great debate.

Their attorney will cost way more than they can take from me

You're broke too?

ORIGINAL: bapu

Their attorney will cost way more than they can take from me

You're broke too?

Shoot, I'm too broke to drive out to Thousand Oaks (I'm in Granada Hills)