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I'm new to midi but have put a good few hours in on it this past month.

I am using Sonar 5 Producer, an Edirol UA-25, and an EMU Xboard25. All is working fine. I haven't used the Xboard yet but I have tested it and it's ok.

What I am trying to achieve is good quality sounds from midi files which I create.
As an experiment, I have made a few up in Band-In-A-Box, brought them into Sonar and re hashed them there using their Synth TTS-1. Everything worked fine but I'm not happy with the sounds of TTS-1. Microsoft GS Wavetable is available in Track Options and used with Roland GS I get a good sound but it wont export as a .wav or .mp3.

I have 3 CDs of Sound Libraries from EMU Proteus X.. Planet Earth etc. and my question is... Can anyone tell me how I can install these into Sonar and access them there?
I have scanned with the vst wizard and proteus xle is showing up in the insert menu and track options but there are no banks of sounds and I can't get them in no matter what I try.. frustrating!! :-/

I suppose what I am really trying to achieve is, to get sounds into Sonar which are better than TTS1, I am only trying the Emu sound libraries because I have them and they are reputed to be very good.

Many thanks, John.

Thanks for the reply Fog!

I think I do have the host, but I'm not sure, not at my PC now to check, but I received all the Emu Proteus x stuff with the XBoard.. I've never tried to run it individually, only with sonar... I don't know what you mean by "free engine"... or "point it at bank"... how? where? Sorry!! :-) Novice!

I tried bouncing to audio it wont do that either.. I was told it's because Wavetable isn't a soft synth...
"The MS wave table is an "external" synth, wheras the TTS-1 would be an "internal" synth. The Export command "mixes down" any internal soft synths to "sound" when you export. It will not, however, include anything that has not been recorded yet-like an external keyboard connected via midi, or the MS wavetable (which is also an external synth connected via midi, in real terms.)"

I have been working, reading, writing about the emu thing for over a week now and no one seems to be able to solve it.. so how about forget that and go with.. "how can I get sounds/samples/banks/patches into Sonar which are of high quality... better than TTS1??
Ta, John.

Hi VJ, thanks for the reply!
Yes, it is showing up as a vst.
The files are .ebl or .ebx
EMU Proteus X
J

Sorry VJ but I don't know what the Proteus GUI is..? Or HTH..? I'm new to all this VJ, sorry I'm not more clued in to terminology etc and thanks for your time! J

John do you have
"E-MU's new Proteus X LE Desktop Sound Module with over 1000 sounds" installed? is that a VST-i that you can load in soundbanks into.

there is proteus VX on the emu site.. not sure if that would work though.

the module disks that you bought probably 90% DO need an emu host, they are just sound disks.

Sorry VJ... those itemes separate as below...

MIDI SOURCE
FIRST SYNTH AUDIO OUTPUT
ALL SYNTH AUDIO OUTPUT

SYNTH PROPERTY PAGE
SYNTH RACK VIEW

J

did all that VJ and it did exactly as you said.. I'm starting to feel excited :-) eh.. what next??
Ta, J

Excellent - now it does get exciting......

On the proteus interface can you see two red oval buttons.? one says single, one says 1-16. Click the one saying 1-16.

This will display all 16 channels of the synth. You can load a different sound into each channel, but to keep this simple lets stick to one.
(note if this view disappears, you can get it back by clicking the words Proteus X LE immediately above the Yellow Preset folder)


By default, Channel One probably has been loaded with 'Dynamic Grand'. If it hasn't select channel One by clicking the number (they are a sort of yellow colour). Then Select a sound from the list on the left.....This will load the chosen sound onto the midi channel.

Next, minimize the Proteus window to return to Sonar Track view.

Because this synth can support 16 midi channels the routing is important.

Under input choose Xboard midi omni
The output should read Proteus XLE

Under channel choose channel 1 from the list.

Press a key on your keyboard. Are you getting sound?

You should also have a manual for this somewhere. It will be in pdf file format. Probably find it on one of your installation discs.

Actually, on the proteus window, click help>help topics. This should open the pdf manual.

I'll check back in here tomorrow to see how you are getting on.

Ooops, I didn't see your earlier post, sorry about that.. I'll check it all out in the morning (bedtime here in Ireland:-)) and I'll get back to you then.. nite, John.

Hi VJ..
I've spent a few hours on the manual and trying things out and the result is that I know my way around proteus on the surface pretty ok now.. I tried different sounds (presets) on different channels etc and that all worked out ok.. what I can't figure out is...
In a track window in sonar where Proteus is inserted ie 'Output' & 'Midi Channel 1-16', that is fine but on TTS1 or any other synth you have 'Bank' & 'Patch', I can't work ou/see in the manual how to get my sounds in there in this way so they can be accessed in the same normal fashion as TTS1.
Any info on this VJ??
Thanks, John.