Sonar 8 PE MIDI input latency with VC64 & Transient Shaper

Hi Friends,
Any time I insert transient shaper or VC64 plugins on any track or buss, I get delays on MIDI input. I guess I shouldn't use these plugins until I'm ready to mix, but sometimes, I feel like changing a few lines (on softsynths) after mixing halfway. Any one else facing the same issue? Is there a way to compensate for this MIDI input delay? I'm running PE 8.02 on vista, quad core with 4gigs of RAM.

Thanks,
Kal

Thanks Doug, I did come up with a workaround. I save the current settings on these plugins (presets), remove them, finish my compostion & then re-insert them back. I just wondered if anyone else faces this issue.

ORIGINAL: lightningmusic

Thanks Doug, I did come up with a workaround. I save the current settings on these plugins (presets), remove them, finish my compostion & then re-insert them back. I just wondered if anyone else faces this issue.

A far easier workaround is to just disable the fx bins where the offending plugs reside. (Right click in the fx bin and select "Bypass Bin".)

And...yes...we all face it all the time. It's part of the cost of doing business.

Too elaborate on this theme. Lets look at this a little more fully. All plugins add some delay. This is a fact of life. Most add a minuscule amount that goes unnoticed . Some have more delay for various reasons such as look ahead buffers or convolutions that require processing. But the thing to keep in mind is all plugins do some processing that by its nature takes time. The more plugins used the more time it takes to have them all process the signal. So what this thread is asking is how to I over come the laws of physics? It can't be done no matter how fast the host computer is.

When a plugin is labeled as mastering it means little as far as how it should be used except that its warning the user that this plug will need extra time to do its thing. Some don't bother with this sort of label but that doesn't mean it can be use in a real time monitoring situation where low latency is required.

Gentlemen this is simply common sense don't use pluins at all if you need good low latency performance. Even hardware that is processing a signal can increase latency. So even using some outboard gear can be problematic.

Sonar was and is meant to be a nondestructive audio and MIDI application. It was one of the very first to do this. Why undermined this idea with adding junk at the beginning before the tracks are even laid down?

Get your stuff pristinely in and then mangle it to your hearts content.

John,
My question was not to find ways to overcome the laws of physics. May be I should've clarified a bit more. This is towards the end (everything is done). The producer wanted some changes (very minimal). I didn't want to delete all the plugins & redo (which is what I ended up doing). But, Dan Tarbill's tip was what I was looking for. That works perfect for my scenario.

Thanks for your insight.
Kal

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These plugins (and many others) work well because they use lookahead. They get to peek into the future and adjust themselves in real-time to upcoming audio events. Unfortunately, that delays everything else around them.

These are designed as mixing and mastering tools, not as real-time compositional tools, so choose other plugins while you are composing, and switch to the heavy hitters when mixing.

Wow, I'm having the same exact problem.  Thank you so much!