MIDI how to?!?

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2009/12/08 19:15:37 (permalink)

MIDI how to?!?

I saw a similar thread, but didn't really see a definitive answer to my question. I'm just getting started with PC recording, via Sonar 8. I'm notoriously stupid about a lot of this stuff. I play guitar and bass, and that is all I really want to do. I don't want to have to wade through manuals but I will if necessary. I have figured out how to add drum loops to my music because I have no clue how to use the Session Drummer that comes with the program, and it's Help file leaves much to be desired (for me at least). I'd love to have much more flexibility with drum tracks than is afforded by loops but I suppose they will have to suffice for now. My question at this point though is about the MIDI plugins in Sonar. I see that there are a ton of things within the program (synthesizers etc) that can be added into a MIDI track. I don't even know what most of these plugins are. I'm no keyboard player but it would be nice to be able to add some atmospheric synth stuff to some of my music. Its just that I have no idea how. I do have an E-MU 0404 audio interface with a MIDI in. But do I need to buy a MIDI keyboard, or can I use the computer keyboard to use these MIDI plugins? This is not something I will spend a lot of extra money on. Thanks in advance.
PS - If this question has been answered elsewhere, please pardon the redundancy.
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    John
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    Re:MIDI how to?!? 2009/12/08 19:54:31 (permalink)
    The thing is you will have to read about it here or in a manual. You will have to read up on it to have any hope of understanding it.

    MIDI stands for Musical Instrument Digital Interface. It was developed to connect synths to one another. It quickly became clear that it could be connected to a computer as well. From there we have Sonar as years of development have been put into it.

    MIDI is a protocol, a language that can be used to trigger hardware synths or soft synths. It is displayed for us as either notation or dots and can be displayed as events as well.

    An easy way to learn about MIDI is load a MIDI project into Sonar and try and play it. Most likely you will want to use the Sonar soft synth TTS-1 to play back the sound. Using some of the views Piano Roll View or the Score View you should see how the events have a direct control of making the TTS-1 produce sound.

    Sonar should come with some MIDI files that are full songs as demo projects but if it doesn't you can get tons of Standard MIDI files known as GM files off the net.

    After you have had some time looking and listening to these files you will most likely have many questions. It is then I would come back and ask away.

    You don't need a keyboard for inputting MIDI notes. It can be very useful but there are many ways to get MIDI into Sonar. Sonar has no computer keyboard MIDI input ability.

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    Re:MIDI how to?!? 2009/12/08 20:05:22 (permalink)

    Best
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    Re:MIDI how to?!? 2009/12/08 21:10:18 (permalink)
    AS John said-There is no magic answer. You will have to read and learn. Or you will be in for many days of frustrations. The help on this forum is the best. But you really need to get a basic understanding before you can ask for help. Basic midi is not that tough.
    Give it a try!~

     
     
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    Re:MIDI how to?!? 2009/12/08 22:49:32 (permalink)
    You really do need to read up on the basics of midi as stratman and John mentioned.

    Also check out the other recent midi drum threads as they may relate to what you want to accomplish.

    You don't have to spend more money on a midi keyboard to add atmospheric sounds to your projects if you have some soft synths with the sounds you want.  A midi keyboard or controller would be helpful but not completely necessary.  You don't mention which version of Sonar you have so I am not sure which synths you have available.

    If you have a version of Sonar that has Rapture or Dimension for example, you can add one of them and use the piano roll view to add midi notes into the track with your mouse.  A little experimentation and you can add that little bit of background ambiance to your projects.

    There are a lot of ways to accomplish what you desire but it is up to you to determine how you want to do so.

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    Re:MIDI how to?!? 2009/12/18 19:50:52 (permalink)
    Thanks a lot for the replies. I'm using version 8.0 of SONAR in Windows Vista32 with an E-MU 0404 audio/MIDI interface. I suppose the best thing would be the tutorials in the manual. It appears that my version has Rapture LE, but not dimension. I also have Cyclone, Dreamstation, Pentagon, and Roland Groovesynth. I don't know what these things are or what they do, and I can't seem to find any documentation for them. The main thing is that I hate taking time away from the guitar but it is obviously necessary if I am to tap the full potential of such a powerful program as this. I am, at this point, interested in what Keebo had to say about adding synth parts w/o a MIDI keyboard. Are there any tutorials available for this process, specifically, besides those in the manual? Thanks again for the replies.  
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    Re:MIDI how to?!? 2009/12/18 20:18:47 (permalink)
    I also have Cyclone, Dreamstation, Pentagon, and Roland Groovesynth. I don't know what these things are or what they do

    Cylcone is like a sampler that can play clips upon a click of the mouse ot keyboard hit. The others are soft synths (VSTi's) They use midi data to generate sounds. Thisnk of them like hardware synths, but inside your pc.....
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    Re:MIDI how to?!? 2009/12/18 20:29:02 (permalink)
    On the DVD that your software came on there is a SONAR Reference manual in pdf format (over 1500 pages) that will give you plenty of info on MIDI, Audio and all the included plugins from Effects to Synthesizers.

    If you have SONAR 8 without Dimension Pro its likely that you have SONAR Studio version not SONAR Producer. If you do have SONAR Producer Edition then there will be 4 DVD's which include The main SONAR installation DVD + Dimension Pro + Content and Beatscape + Content

    There are updates avaiable for registered users from the Cakewaalk website that will give you access to more content and upgrades to SONAR 8.3.1. Its pretty well essential that you get the latest updates.

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    Re:MIDI how to?!? 2009/12/19 08:16:01 (permalink)
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    Thanks a lot for the replies. I'm using version 8.0 of SONAR in Windows Vista32 with an E-MU 0404 audio/MIDI interface. I suppose the best thing would be the tutorials in the manual. It appears that my version has Rapture LE, but not dimension. I also have Cyclone, Dreamstation, Pentagon, and Roland Groovesynth. I don't know what these things are or what they do, and I can't seem to find any documentation for them. The main thing is that I hate taking time away from the guitar but it is obviously necessary if I am to tap the full potential of such a powerful program as this. I am, at this point, interested in what Keebo had to say about adding synth parts w/o a MIDI keyboard. Are there any tutorials available for this process, specifically, besides those in the manual? Thanks again for the replies.  


    If you got Sonar 8 legitimately, you have Dimension Pro - it came as a separate disk in the package.

    You really need to take the time and READ the documentation that's with the program. Granted the manual is not a printed one, but you can print out the sections you need from the pdf version provided on the install dvd's. Also highly recommended is to get Scott Garrigus's book on S8 - what the manual should have been.

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    Re:MIDI how to?!? 2009/12/19 20:44:33 (permalink)
    R.T.F.M!
    No way to avoid it.
    Search the SONAR help file for Synth Rack and
    Piano Roll View (PVR) and read up on them.

    Search this forum for the same topics.

    It will take some time coming from the total noob,
    beginner level that you're currently at. 
    Sorry to be so blunt about it, not meaning to be
    offensive, but it's the cold hard truth.
    Ain't no other way.

    Look at it like learning a new instrument.
    You wouldn't expect to just pick up a Guitar,
    having never played one before, and expect
    to be able to play it well within 24 hours.

    SONAR and MIDI the same.

    It takes time and effort, like anything worthwhile. 

    As a starting point, learn how to load a synth 
    via the Synth Rack and then open up the Piano
    Roll View on that track and left click on the virtual
    piano keyboard on the left hand side.



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    Re:MIDI how to?!? 2009/12/19 22:02:00 (permalink)
    You might also want to check out my SONAR 8 Power! book.

    You can find more info in the Power Books section of my site:
    http://www.garrigus.com/

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    Re:MIDI how to?!? 2009/12/20 06:29:40 (permalink)
    I play guitar and bass, and that is all I really want to do.
    So your problem is ...???  It is a strange mindset that considers it is better to ask a forum like this to take its pain away, as if somehow the folk that dwell here can discern exactly what minimum amount of knowledge can be imparted to allow you to handle a complex product to do sophisticated things with virtually no effort on your part.  Collectively, we are just too polite to say "RTFM, then RTFM again" or "Consultant/Tutor/Mentor? Why certainly, sir! That'll be €1,000 per diem plus expenses.  When do I start?". HTH.
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    Re:MIDI how to?!? 2009/12/20 06:32:33 (permalink)

    You might also want to check out my SONAR 8 Power! book.
    Hey, Scott - Back off! I saw him first!  I'm about to sign him up for €1,000 a day and you want to tread on my toes and sell him a book that's 0.5 versions behind the state-of-the-art?  You should be ashamed!
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    Re:MIDI how to?!? 2009/12/20 06:39:06 (permalink)
    John


    You will find this helpful in the meantime.


    John,

    That's just unreasonable.  How can you expect OP to read 29 - yes, twenty-nine - chapters of words and other boring stuff?  Can't you produce an "Executive Summary" on half a page to help him?  No long sentences, no long words, and just bullet points, mind you.
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    Re:MIDI how to?!? 2009/12/20 07:53:10 (permalink)
    LOL Chris.

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    Re:MIDI how to?!? 2009/12/20 11:21:02 (permalink)
    ChristopherM



    You might also want to check out my SONAR 8 Power! book.
    Hey, Scott - Back off! I saw him first!  I'm about to sign him up for €1,000 a day and you want to tread on my toes and sell him a book that's 0.5 versions behind the state-of-the-art?  You should be ashamed!

    Hey Chris,

    LOL! Have fun tutoring.

    Scott

    PS. (to anyone starting out with SONAR) you'll find a lot of useful info in my book. But of course, you can still consider taking lessons with Chris.

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