how to edit EZd DND loops with midi keyboard?

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2009/02/13 13:09:33 (permalink)

how to edit EZd DND loops with midi keyboard?

basic midi help needed here....

i use ezdrummer, to do song arrangments. i drag and drop standard midi loops, and then typically edit them by hand in piano roll.
so, now the songs are complete, and now i want to go back and do some real-time playing/editing to my midi drum track.

now, i want to hook up my new m-audio usb keyboard, and tie into the DAW triggering EZd, so i can play along with the loops i've already lined up, adding cymbals, extra kicks, etc....

i'm new to midi, so i'm really looking for some basic midi editing guidelines, as well as how it relates to ezdrummer specifically, but midi in general.


how do i get the new midi data i'm playing live, to come in on top of the loops that have already been written?
or do i do this with a new midi track, and basically 'record' the new inputs that way? the idea is, to play the keyboard in real time, adding mostly cymbal work and the occasional tom flourish or additional kicks....

i'll eventually go in a hand-edit the original midi track, to eliminate any extra hits or elements i've changed my mind about....
and i can do that fine....
but adding live playing into midi, and possibly needing to quantize SOME, or NONE, i'm just clueless on it.

thanks

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    RLD
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    RE: how to edit EZd DND loops with midi keyboard? 2009/02/13 13:18:39 (permalink)
    how do i get the new midi data i'm playing live, to come in on top of the loops that have already been written?
    or do i do this with a new midi track, and basically 'record' the new inputs that way? the idea is, to play the keyboard in real time, adding mostly cymbal work and the occasional tom flourish or additional kicks....

    Using your usb keyboard as the input for the midi track, if your record option is set to "sound on sound" instead of "overwrite", you just record into the tack and it will add parts without erasing.
    I do it all the time.
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    RE: how to edit EZd DND loops with midi keyboard? 2009/02/17 14:54:36 (permalink)
    thanks rld...

    maybe, i'll start a new track for the manual 'hits', and that way, i can edit them seperately of the original midi track, just in case i screw up big time.
    LOL

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    RE: how to edit EZd DND loops with midi keyboard? 2009/02/18 23:13:38 (permalink)
    i'm in the exact same boat...just got ez drummer a few weeks ago and never did anything previously with midi as i recorded all audio live. now i'd like to be able to add some crashes/kicks/fills to the loops and am pondering getting a keyboard. which m-audio keyboard did you purchase? how many keys? things to avoid/consider when getting a keyboard?
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    RE: how to edit EZd DND loops with midi keyboard? 2009/02/19 10:29:42 (permalink)
    i got the keyrig 49.

    it's very basic....
    but i used it last night to record some piano parts using the stock sounds that came with it, it actually sounded pretty good to me.

    i was triggering drums once i brought up ezd, but i was also triggering keyboard sounds at the same time..
    i don't know how to seperate them.



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    RE: how to edit EZd DND loops with midi keyboard? 2009/02/19 10:49:53 (permalink)
    i was triggering drums once i brought up ezd, but i was also triggering keyboard sounds at the same time..
    i don't know how to seperate them.

    Are your keys and drums on the same midi channel?
    Or are you using "Omni" for midi input?
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    RE: how to edit EZd DND loops with midi keyboard? 2009/02/19 11:05:16 (permalink)
    that's just it....

    i don't have a clue!!!

    LOL

    i mean, seriously, i couldn't get any sound out of the keys for the longest time...
    i just kept going into the help file, finding things i thought might get me there, hitting a dead end, and randomly changing things in the track pane...

    eventually, i got sound.

    i basically took everything at their 'defaults', which definitely did not work.


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    RE: how to edit EZd DND loops with midi keyboard? 2009/02/19 11:11:49 (permalink)
    Oh come on...you're not that thick...
    Look at the inputs and midi channel for your midi tracks...what are they set on?
    post edited by RLD - 2009/02/19 11:32:30
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    RE: how to edit EZd DND loops with midi keyboard? 2009/02/19 13:34:27 (permalink)
    yes, i'm thick, as a brick.


    ;)


    well, i did all those obvious things...

    point is, i don't know what midi track something is supposed to be on...

    it's all greek , to me...

    and there seems to be a thousand possibilities, and no guidance to any one of them!

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    RE: how to edit EZd DND loops with midi keyboard? 2009/02/19 13:39:27 (permalink)
    Well, unless you report back as to what your setting are, its hard to help.
    i was triggering drums once i brought up ezd, but i was also triggering keyboard sounds at the same time..
    i don't know how to seperate them.

    For starters make sure your midi drum track and midi keyboard track are not sharing the same midi channel.
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    RE: how to edit EZd DND loops with midi keyboard? 2009/02/19 13:51:32 (permalink)
    GOTCHA-
    i'll check it tonight, and report back...

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    RE: how to edit EZd DND loops with midi keyboard? 2009/02/19 16:31:56 (permalink)
    i was triggering drums once i brought up end, but i was also triggering keyboard sounds at the same time..
    i don't know how to seperate them.

    You were using the midi and the analog outs of your keyboard at the same time. right??????
    You spelled separate wrong..

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    RE: how to edit EZd DND loops with midi keyboard? 2009/02/19 17:32:08 (permalink)
    ah, i don't bother with spell check!!
    LOL

    it's like falling down the stairs, i just kinda go with it.


    no, no analog input at all....
    just the USB.


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    RE: how to edit EZd DND loops with midi keyboard? 2009/02/19 17:33:28 (permalink)
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    RE: how to edit EZd DND loops with midi keyboard? 2009/02/19 18:30:23 (permalink)
    ah, i don't bother with spell check!!
    LOL

    me either, but i always wondered what the enfatuation was when people correct me on my spelling when they know what i was saying anyway....it gave me no satisfaction at all. ill try it again soon

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    RE: how to edit EZd DND loops with midi keyboard? 2009/02/20 10:19:42 (permalink)
    Ha! I caught enfatuation, CJ! That's a chuckle.
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    RE: how to edit EZd DND loops with midi keyboard? 2009/02/20 10:31:33 (permalink)
    at least cj is quick on his feet!!

    LOL

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