Organists (B3) Help a Brother Out.

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2009/03/25 11:34:07 (permalink)

Organists (B3) Help a Brother Out.

I'm hoping someone might be able to chime in and help me out with an organ technique question.

I'm a piano player who has been playing more and more rock organ over the past 4 or 5 years. I'm reasonably good but and experienced organist will pick me out as a piano player pretty quick.

Anyway....I'm trying to make that organ chucka-chucka sound that you year a lot (helpful description eh?). The two most obvious examples I can give is Deep Purple's hush (about 20 seconds in - mainish organ riff) and the intro to wacha want by the beastie boys. It also shows up in most steppenwolf songs. Usually a few chuckka chucka type sounds followed by a chord.

I have been trying to reproduce this sounds with the swell pedal but have not had much luck. I have also tried to reproduce it but cutting out the sound with the drawbars with no luck.

Am I even remotley on the right track?

FWIW I'm using a Korg CX-3.
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    RE: Organists (B3) Help a Brother Out. 2009/03/25 11:41:25 (permalink)
    Hey Der,
    I'm no organist just a wannabee....but if memory serves (that's iffy) i thought that organ was a B3 that sounded cranked through some kind of tube amp to give some tube distortion but i'm not positive on this. could he just be slapping the keys like playing the congas in those 'chukka-wukka' parts???

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    RE: Organists (B3) Help a Brother Out. 2009/03/25 12:30:51 (permalink)
    I'm not to familiar with the others but Steppenwolf and Deep Purple was a distorted B3.... a "rock organ" patch has that percussive attack that you might be looking.... I haven't really used much organ since returning to recording over a year ago.... but I remember that was a patch in the GM sound bank.... and getting that sound also probably includes a few organ player tricks like slapping the keys...as mentioned above.
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    RE: Organists (B3) Help a Brother Out. 2009/03/25 13:31:16 (permalink)
    I'm starting to think you are right about the slapping. For some reason that never really occured to me -- and that reason is that my childhood piano teacher mrs. hudson would have rapped my knuckles bloody if I even suggested slapping a keyboard -- my process of unlearning continues :)

    I spent a few minutes looping a section of Hush and so far my best guess is that that he has a rocking patern (octves and sevenths) going on with the left hand he his is just slapping it like nuts bongo style and the right hand is doing glisses up to the chord. I suspect that he has the draw bars way out on the bottom manual.

    Of course, I'm not anywhere near an organ so that may work out to be about as accute as most of the "aha I got it" moments I have when not near a keyboard.
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    RE: Organists (B3) Help a Brother Out. 2009/03/25 14:44:42 (permalink)
    That's a two-handed technique, either playing the same chord an octave apart or playing the same chord in the same octave on upper and lower manuals, and alternating between hands.

    A major difference between organ and piano is that with a piano you get the same attack for each note, even if it's a sustained arpeggio. With the B3 percussion effect, you only get it when it's preceded by silence, so those classic chords and lead lines are all distinguished by discrete pauses before each note. Think Green Eyed Lady.


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    RE: Organists (B3) Help a Brother Out. 2009/03/25 14:58:41 (permalink)
    Thanks Bitflipper.

    Now that you mention it seems so clear. Someone really needs to write an organ book for pianists.

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    RE: Organists (B3) Help a Brother Out. 2009/03/25 19:06:54 (permalink)
    ORGANized trio + Amplitube = instant Deep Purple!

    or if you actually have a Hammond B3, run it thru a Marshall tube combo.
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    RE: Organists (B3) Help a Brother Out. 2009/03/26 10:20:50 (permalink)
    Success!

    Well, more or less. My glisses still blow but I am now chukka chakkaing with the best of them. It took some fighting to get the right settings but 888800000, C3, and hard 3rd percussion seemed to do the trick.

    I need to figure out if I can do a keyboard split on my CX-3 that will allow my to have overlaped notes.
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    RE: Organists (B3) Help a Brother Out. 2009/03/26 10:36:12 (permalink)
    I'm no keyboardist but I sure like the chunking stuff that Jimmy Smith does...not sure it's something you're talking about but felt like mentioning him to ya.
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    RE: Organists (B3) Help a Brother Out. 2009/03/26 11:14:43 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: bitflipper

    That's a two-handed technique, either playing the same chord an octave apart or playing the same chord in the same octave on upper and lower manuals, and alternating between hands.

    A major difference between organ and piano is that with a piano you get the same attack for each note, even if it's a sustained arpeggio. With the B3 percussion effect, you only get it when it's preceded by silence, so those classic chords and lead lines are all distinguished by discrete pauses before each note. Think Green Eyed Lady.

    I was just about to mention that each key needs to be struck independently with a discrete silence between them, but you beat me to it . I find a lot of organs and mono synths are like that. The piano has 88 voices, the organ/synth does not, it may have only one or two.

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