Visual Mixiing - No Sound

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2009/04/28 17:05:36 (permalink)

Visual Mixiing - No Sound

I am wondering (perhaps for those "visual learners" out there) if anyone ever tries watching your track (s) on an analyzer of your choice, then doing EQ adjustments just visually with no sound going to your brain...and then listen to the results.... and alternate with this.
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    RE: Visual Mixing - No Sound 2009/04/28 17:20:15 (permalink)
    No, as you probably noticed if you cut -6db's at 250 in a track, it will not show up as that in the frequency analyzer. You need to mix with your ears and not eyes. Also, all genre's and all songs in genre's can have a different frequency spectrum field.
    you use your ears to listen and your eyes to see. Were not making a picture, where making music. You could design a nice CD cover....
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    RE: Visual Mixing - No Sound 2009/04/28 20:12:59 (permalink)
    Interesting concept... however, as CJ said, this is music...it needs ears to hear the subtle differences that your eyes will never see watching a visual representation of the music.....

    visual works for art however...... I guess it would be like "listening to a painting" or maybe even the artist painting it......nope.... won't work well....

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    RE: Visual Mixiing - No Sound 2009/04/28 23:43:52 (permalink)
    I knew I was asking for trouble on this one ! Please forget I even brought it up.

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    RE: Visual Mixiing - No Sound 2009/04/29 02:18:14 (permalink)
    If you're looking to match FFT curves of your mixes to an existing recording then there's already software to do this for you automatically...http://www.har-bal.com/

    You can use me as your eSoundz referral (altima_boy_2001).
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    RE: Visual Mixiing - No Sound 2009/04/29 05:22:58 (permalink)
    C'mon! Let's keep our eyes open. Of course you can fix your EQ-curves just basing on visual info, why not?! The result, of course, is different from the traditional methods.
    Why not sculpt the curve to something funny and the try how it actually sounds.

    Articles on creative composing have suggested methods like composing a MIDI-track in PRV only concentrating on how symmetric / asymmetric / beautiful the note patterns look in the piano roll. Weird and "unorthodox" methods are often the way to new, fresh ideas.

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    RE: Visual Mixiing - No Sound 2009/04/29 07:42:41 (permalink)
    C'mon! Let's keep our eyes open. Of course you can fix your EQ-curves just basing on visual info, why not?! The result, of course, is different from the traditional methods.

    Sure you can, but the results would be a coin flip and it would be nothing near (anywhere near) the results you get form hearing what you mix and using your ears. If you want to play around, sure why not, but if you want to do this to mix it for a CD or a web site or radio, then Forgett it...
    knew I was asking for trouble on this one ! Please forget I even brought it up.


    No shame. at least your trying to think out of the box. Thats where allot of new things come from...

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    RE: Visual Mixiing - No Sound 2009/04/29 08:23:27 (permalink)
    I certainly would not mix exclusively using only my eyes, but I certainly use them a lot. Seeing the wave form is essential for a lot of things. There are times when the sound is only a time key, and the visual outputs are the important part of the process.

    So like everything in life, its not fully one or the other, although I suspect a blind man would do a better job of mixing than a deaf one.

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    Re:Visual Mixiing - No Sound 2010/04/08 14:43:10 (permalink)
    I'm currently using 8.5 Studio and still learning it. Is there a visual EQ analyzer (plug-in) I can use for EQ'ing a track. Or does something like this exist in Producer 8.5?
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    Re:Visual Mixiing - No Sound 2010/04/08 17:16:44 (permalink)
    I use Voxengo's SPAN to make sure my low-end is within proportions. My room is is largely untreated, and I've measured some pretty severe cancellations at 80hZ, 100Hz, and at least the 1st order harmonics above them.

    Since 200 Hz falls into this trouble zone, I tend to build up in that area if I fail to visually check that energy distribution.

    Until my time & budget allow for some proper room treatment, I use the spectrum analyzer to minimize those issues.

    I learned this from a musician friend who records his band. As a lifelong rocker, who "hoped he'd die before he got old", he's pretty much fried most of his hearing above 2kHz. He mixes 'visually' without assistance, and his records sounds great. He could probably mix a record without monitors at all with the right meters & scopes.

    I don't think its fari to completely dismiss that approach, I've seen it work. But I've also mixed in a properly tuned room, and I have to agree that whenever possible this is the way to go.

     
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    Re:Visual Mixiing - No Sound 2010/04/08 17:17:57 (permalink)
    Voxengo's SPAN is free VST plugin. But Sonar also includes an analyzer called "Analyst".

    Voxengo's Gliss EQ might be more along the lines of what you're thinking about though.

     
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    Re:Visual Mixiing - No Sound 2010/04/08 17:28:10 (permalink)
    Thanks for the info, I'll give it a look.
    Much appreciated.
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    Re:Visual Mixiing - No Sound 2010/04/09 09:02:57 (permalink)
    Checked out the provided Cakewalk Anaylst and this is perfect for my needs. Thanks again for the help.
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    Re:Visual Mixiing - No Sound 2010/04/21 09:32:00 (permalink)
    After some time with Analyst, try the Nugen Audio 'Visualizer' and 'stereoizer' plugins for a wonderful suite of information (V) and application (S) tools. I could watch the stereo information from these two plugins all day long! Extremely helpful to analyse your reference CDs too.  

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    Re:Visual Mixiing - No Sound 2010/04/21 10:56:56 (permalink)
    I use visual aids and make no apologies for doing so. However, anyone basing EQ decisions on graphs alone is headed for endless frustration.

    The problem is that visual input trumps audible input in our brains. It's very easy to make an adjustment that looks right but sounds bad, and you may not notice what you've done until later, when you hear it without the visual feedback.

    I like to load works-in-progress to my pocket MP3 player and listen to them away from the studio, as a safeguard against just this phenomenon.

    Another technique to combat visual domination: use the graph to identify where problems are, then close your eyes while making the adjustments.


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    Re:Visual Mixiing - No Sound 2010/04/27 15:19:22 (permalink)
    Seems ludicrous.  Like taking pictures using your sense of smell.
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    Re:Visual Mixiing - No Sound 2010/04/28 12:09:47 (permalink)
    Smell-O-Vision

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    Re:Visual Mixiing - No Sound 2010/04/28 12:50:47 (permalink)
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    RE: Visual Mixiing - No Sound 2010/04/28 13:50:28 (permalink)
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    Articles on creative composing have suggested methods like composing a MIDI-track in PRV only concentrating on how symmetric / asymmetric / beautiful the note patterns look in the piano roll. Weird and "unorthodox" methods are often the way to new, fresh ideas.
    Have you ever looked at a score by Igor Stravinsky?  Some passages look as if he did just that, using conventional staff notation, of course, rather than piano roll view.  But then, who would know ... it's Stravinsky after all. 

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    RE: Visual Mixiing - No Sound 2010/04/29 05:56:05 (permalink)
    Everything happen in the brain , you mix in fact with your brain , the tools is your hear but your brain make a visual representation of what you hear (like mono , in the center for example) so your question is far for being stupid ....

    If you're refering to mix usin anotha tool than your hear like plugins for exemple ....well it can help corallate a decision or for example compensate the humain hear limitation (low under30 noise artifact in sounds ....but never it can be the only thing , but one thing in a whole process ....

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