The Rapture 1.2 Update sounds different than 1.1 and LE

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2009/05/06 15:20:47 (permalink)

The Rapture 1.2 Update sounds different than 1.1 and LE

Hi Everybody -

This week I upgraded to Rapture, and I'm quite happy with it. But some of the programs sound different. For example, one of my favorite organs is "RGC Brazilian Wonder". The only multisample it uses is "036 - organ 06". When I use Rapture, I hear a hissing sound when I play the lower octaves. But it sounds great in Rapture LE.

I checked the prog file and the sample wav file, and they seem identical, but I tried copying them from Rapture LE anyway. I also verified that there were no effects on. Also, the problem occurs while in Sonar, not just in the micro-host. It seems that many multisamples are affected.

I'm using XP 32-bit. Any ideas anyone?


EDIT: By the way, I also upgraded Rapture to version 1.2 (before discovering the problem).
post edited by rstollen - 2009/05/06 16:06:10

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    rstollen
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    RE: Rapture sounds different than Rapture LE 2009/05/06 15:45:09 (permalink)
    UPDATE - I fully uninstalled Rapture. Then I reinstalled Rapture 1.1, and then the Expansion Packs. Everything was good, and my progs sounded normal. Then I updated to 1.2, and then the problems again.

    So for now, I will uninstall again, and then reinstall, but not apply the 1.2 update. But I'd still like to know if there is something else I should be doing to make the 1.2 update work better for me.

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    RE: Rapture sounds different than Rapture LE 2009/05/07 00:56:12 (permalink)
    Hmm, I noticed the noise (as opposed to hiss) on that patch as well as the other patches under the column "Organs and Additive" in Expansion Pack 1.

    Have you tried rebuilding the patch (using the wave file 036 - organ 06) from the ground up?

    I do that sometimes when I hear some anomalies, or just when I want to find out how something was created.

    Perhaps you can find out where the noise was introduced.

    I have a feeling it's going to be somewhat inherent in the lower frequencies with the sample/impulse that's being used...

    Adding a LP filter or eq'ing out the offending hiss can also provide temporary relief - at least until you find out the real cause of the problem...

    HTH - MDK

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    RE: Rapture sounds different than Rapture LE 2009/05/07 02:31:59 (permalink)
    That sounds like a good idea - rebuilding the patch. I had figured both the prog file and the wav sample were fine because copying them from the Rapture LE folder did not help.

    As I said earlier, the problem went away by reinstalling Rapture 1.1 and the Expansion Packs, but NOT the 1.2 update. So now I have a decision: either apply the 1.2 update again and fiddle with the noisy patches, or just forget about the 1.2 update for now.

    Thanks for your input.

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    RE: Rapture sounds different than Rapture LE 2009/05/08 08:08:28 (permalink)
    I've been able to reproduce this issue. The buzzing is in that particular wavetable. So switching to a different wavetable should fix your issue.
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    RE: Rapture sounds different than Rapture LE 2009/05/08 13:01:09 (permalink)
    I agree that 1.2 sounds different than 1.1, but I have not noticed the noise that you have mentioned. I have, however, noticed that it is much louder, even though the output level registers relatively low output.

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    RE: Rapture sounds different than Rapture LE 2009/05/08 17:38:49 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: chad

    I've been able to reproduce this issue. The buzzing is in that particular wavetable. So switching to a different wavetable should fix your issue.

    I'm not very experienced with Rapture, so I might be missing something. When you refer to the wavetable, are you talking about the wav file in the multisamples folder (e.g. the "036 - organ 06" file)? If so, I already tried copying the multisample from the Rapture LE folder and got the same result.

    post edited by rstollen - 2009/05/08 17:49:49

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    RE: Rapture sounds different than Rapture LE 2009/05/10 01:57:14 (permalink)
    Yes - he means the wav(e) file - its really treated by Rapture as a Wavetable file.

    Switching the wavetable, creating a sfz file using the wavetable, or re-eq'ing it, is probably the only way to correct the issue.

    I'm just guessing but it may have something to do with the DC offset blocker...

    (don't quote me on it as I've just killed off 2 margarita's and I'm now working on number 3...)
    post edited by MurderDethKill - 2009/05/10 02:07:12

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    RE: Rapture sounds different than Rapture LE 2009/05/10 23:22:54 (permalink)
    OK - Thanks guys.

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    RE: Rapture sounds different than Rapture LE 2009/05/11 09:36:21 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: rstollen
    If so, I already tried copying the multisample from the Rapture LE folder and got the same result.



    The error is not in the wavetable file, but how Rapture 1.2 is reading that file. So copying won't help. Here is a fixed version of that program that utilizes a different wavetable:

    Organ Fix Prog

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    (don't quote me on it as I've just killed off 2 margarita's and I'm now working on number 3...)


    I'll take 2 as well please.
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    RE: Rapture sounds different than Rapture LE 2009/05/11 23:06:21 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: chad
    The error is not in the wavetable file, but how Rapture 1.2 is reading that file. So copying won't help. Here is a fixed version of that program that utilizes a different wavetable:

    Thanks very much Chad.

    So now I'm thinking about the root cause of the problem. You said the problem is how Rapture 1.2 is reading the file. If that's the case, it sounds like a bug in the update, and perhaps I should report it as such.

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    RE: Rapture sounds different than Rapture LE 2009/06/19 17:29:12 (permalink)
    Many thanks to Brian, Willy, and especially to René for pushing this one through. This is one fix that truly makes a significant audible difference.
    Rapture 1.2.1 Hotfix.

    A hotfix is available for Rapture that addresses the following issues:
    - In some cases an undesired buzzing would occur with factory wavetables in lower octaves
    - MIDI note entry issue in Step Generator
    - SFZ 'default_path' opcode behavior
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    RE: Rapture sounds different than Rapture LE 2009/06/19 19:08:40 (permalink)
    Excellent - Thank you Cakewalk, and to Tom for posting it. It seems to work perfectly.

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    RE: Rapture sounds different than Rapture LE 2009/06/20 12:47:08 (permalink)
    I currently have 1.2 installed. If I install 1.2.1, wilol all of the paths for samples, etc., remain as I have them configured?

    thanks

    Keith
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    b rock
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    RE: Rapture sounds different than Rapture LE 2009/06/21 13:31:29 (permalink)
    If I install 1.2.1, wilol all of the paths for samples, etc., remain as I have them configured?
    Mine did.
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    RE: Rapture sounds different than Rapture LE 2009/06/21 22:05:59 (permalink)
    BTW Tom (b rock), some of my favorite Rapture patches are yours. Thank You.

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