Session Drummer (1) to SD2 Pattern conversion

Author
dantarbill
Max Output Level: -57 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 1820
  • Joined: 2004/12/15 10:48:18
  • Location: Monrovia, CA
  • Status: offline
2009/06/15 15:13:57 (permalink)

Session Drummer (1) to SD2 Pattern conversion

(Sorry about the cross post in the SONAR forum...)

Is anyone out there aware of a utility that will convert (or batch convert) Session Drummer (1) content into patterns that can be used in Session Drummer 2?

SD 1 patterns were (are) MIDI files with markers that delineate each available pattern within the file. SD2 patterns seem to have individual MIDI files for each available pattern with all the related patterns collected in a file directory. The MIDI files also seem to include MIDI Groove Clip Info with a “Beats in Clip” count.

It would seem that a conversion utility would be pretty straightforward...but I'm way too lazy to do it myself if someone else has already tackled it and made it publicly available.

Dan Tarbill
#1

10 Replies Related Threads

    57Gregy
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 14404
    • Joined: 2004/05/31 17:04:17
    • Location: Raleigh, North Carolina
    • Status: offline
    RE: Session Drummer (1) to SD2 Pattern conversion 2009/07/02 22:52:36 (permalink)
    I'm not sure about converting it, but I have used SD 1 as a MIDI plug-in in the effects bin, inserted SD 2 and played the patterns in SD 1 through SD 2. Is that something like you want? Not exactly like having the patterns listed in SD 2, but it works.

    Greg 
    I am selling my MIM Fender Stratocaster HSS, red and black. PM for more details.

    Music Creator 2003, MC Pro 24, SONAR Home Studio 6 XL, SONAR  X3e, CbB, Focusrite Saffire, not enough space.
    Everything is better with pie. 

    http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=609446
    http://www.reverbnation.com/#!/gregfields 
    #2
    57Gregy
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 14404
    • Joined: 2004/05/31 17:04:17
    • Location: Raleigh, North Carolina
    • Status: offline
    RE: Session Drummer (1) to SD2 Pattern conversion 2009/07/02 23:42:19 (permalink)
    Looking at them again, I see that SD 1 patterns are MIDI files and SD 2 is an audio sample player. You could go to the trouble of converting all of the SD 1 MIDI patterns to audio using your favorite drum kit in SD 2, then load those audio clips/samples into SD 2 for permanent access.
    Or just play SD 1 through Sd 2 like I did. Might be easier,

    Greg 
    I am selling my MIM Fender Stratocaster HSS, red and black. PM for more details.

    Music Creator 2003, MC Pro 24, SONAR Home Studio 6 XL, SONAR  X3e, CbB, Focusrite Saffire, not enough space.
    Everything is better with pie. 

    http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=609446
    http://www.reverbnation.com/#!/gregfields 
    #3
    dantarbill
    Max Output Level: -57 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 1820
    • Joined: 2004/12/15 10:48:18
    • Location: Monrovia, CA
    • Status: offline
    RE: Session Drummer (1) to SD2 Pattern conversion 2009/07/03 10:24:52 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: 57Gregy

    Looking at them again, I see that SD 1 patterns are MIDI files and SD 2 is an audio sample player. You could go to the trouble of converting all of the SD 1 MIDI patterns to audio using your favorite drum kit in SD 2, then load those audio clips/samples into SD 2 for permanent access.
    Or just play SD 1 through Sd 2 like I did. Might be easier,


    Yes, SD2 is and audio sample player, but it also integrates MIDI playback (using MIDI content in Session Drummer 2\Contents\Patterns) via the A thought H pads. The idea is to have other Patterns available for those pads.

    Now that I think about it, there's probably not much point to converting the older content to have it play back using SD2. It might make sense if SD2 had at least 3 times as many pads to chose from. That way, it would be easier to do a "point and shoot" arrangement rather than doing the list selection thing that you have to do in SD1.

    I've done the bit you mentioned where you just use SD2 as if it were a replacement for DR008. But, I was hoping to get a "one stop shopping" deal with more flexibility.

    Dan Tarbill
    #4
    57Gregy
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 14404
    • Joined: 2004/05/31 17:04:17
    • Location: Raleigh, North Carolina
    • Status: offline
    RE: Session Drummer (1) to SD2 Pattern conversion 2009/07/03 23:21:50 (permalink)
    I just went to my program files, found the SD 1 MIDI pattern files, selected them all, copied them, and then pasted them in the SD 2 MIDI pattern file. They're in there now, and they should play. Give it a try!

    Edit: And now I'm wondering if I just violated the CW TOSA by copying them... I hope I don't get banned.
    post edited by 57Gregy - 2009/07/03 23:35:32

    Greg 
    I am selling my MIM Fender Stratocaster HSS, red and black. PM for more details.

    Music Creator 2003, MC Pro 24, SONAR Home Studio 6 XL, SONAR  X3e, CbB, Focusrite Saffire, not enough space.
    Everything is better with pie. 

    http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=609446
    http://www.reverbnation.com/#!/gregfields 
    #5
    dantarbill
    Max Output Level: -57 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 1820
    • Joined: 2004/12/15 10:48:18
    • Location: Monrovia, CA
    • Status: offline
    RE: Session Drummer (1) to SD2 Pattern conversion 2009/07/04 10:43:49 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: 57Gregy

    I just went to my program files, found the SD 1 MIDI pattern files, selected them all, copied them, and then pasted them in the SD 2 MIDI pattern file. They're in there now, and they should play. Give it a try!


    Uh...they likely won't play the same way. Most SD1 MIDI files contain markers that deliniate where individual patterns start and end. As far as I know, SD2 just uses an entire MIDI file as *one* pattern...so it will want to play through the entire SD1 MIDI file as if it were *one* pattern.

    That will very rarely be useful.

    Dan Tarbill
    #6
    57Gregy
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 14404
    • Joined: 2004/05/31 17:04:17
    • Location: Raleigh, North Carolina
    • Status: offline
    RE: Session Drummer (1) to SD2 Pattern conversion 2009/07/05 20:15:53 (permalink)
    Yeah, you're right. They wouldn't play. Just a snare tap, tap, tap. Oh well, what can you do?

    Greg 
    I am selling my MIM Fender Stratocaster HSS, red and black. PM for more details.

    Music Creator 2003, MC Pro 24, SONAR Home Studio 6 XL, SONAR  X3e, CbB, Focusrite Saffire, not enough space.
    Everything is better with pie. 

    http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=609446
    http://www.reverbnation.com/#!/gregfields 
    #7
    57Gregy
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 14404
    • Joined: 2004/05/31 17:04:17
    • Location: Raleigh, North Carolina
    • Status: offline
    RE: Session Drummer (1) to SD2 Pattern conversion 2009/07/05 22:04:13 (permalink)
    So in the MC Pro 24 help file, it states that you can convert the session drummer track into a MIDI track. You select a track, open the console view and click the F/X button. The problem is that there is no F/X button that I can find.
    But I found tonight that you can use the Process>MIDI>Session Drummer menu to do that. A MIDI clip is created from a SD 1 pattern, which can presumably be loaded into SD 2. Certainly not easy or fast, but it can be done, pattern by pattern, if you had a day or 2 to spend on it.
    Which SONAR forum did you post this to? Have you had any responses there?

    Greg 
    I am selling my MIM Fender Stratocaster HSS, red and black. PM for more details.

    Music Creator 2003, MC Pro 24, SONAR Home Studio 6 XL, SONAR  X3e, CbB, Focusrite Saffire, not enough space.
    Everything is better with pie. 

    http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=609446
    http://www.reverbnation.com/#!/gregfields 
    #8
    dantarbill
    Max Output Level: -57 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 1820
    • Joined: 2004/12/15 10:48:18
    • Location: Monrovia, CA
    • Status: offline
    RE: Session Drummer (1) to SD2 Pattern conversion 2009/07/08 12:36:36 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: 57Gregy

    So in the MC Pro 24 help file, it states that you can convert the session drummer track into a MIDI track. You select a track, open the console view and click the F/X button. The problem is that there is no F/X button that I can find.
    But I found tonight that you can use the Process>MIDI>Session Drummer menu to do that. A MIDI clip is created from a SD 1 pattern, which can presumably be loaded into SD 2. Certainly not easy or fast, but it can be done, pattern by pattern, if you had a day or 2 to spend on it.
    Which SONAR forum did you post this to? Have you had any responses there?


    Doing the conversions "by hand" one at a time is certainly not worth the trouble.

    What I was looking for was a utility that would take a source directory as input and a target directory for the output and...
    * Create a subdirectory representing each SD1 pattern/MIDI file found in the directory and subdirectories below it.
    * Create individual SD2 pattern(MIDI) files for each pattern found in the SD1 file.
    * Create an SD2 program (.prog) file for each collection of SD2 pattern files using some default drum kit.

    What I will most likely do is go ahead and use SD1 for what it does well and use SD2 as just a soft synth. What I might do is go ahead and design and write the aforementioned utility as a programming exercise for the hordes of users that are screaming for it. It would appear (from the SONAR Producer version of this thread (http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=1748215)) that there are two entire users that are interested in this conversion.

    (That's a pretty skimpy horde.)

    Dan Tarbill
    #9
    David
    Max Output Level: -86 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 231
    • Joined: 2003/11/06 11:00:48
    • Status: offline
    RE: Session Drummer (1) to SD2 Pattern conversion 2009/07/08 18:56:22 (permalink)
    Dan , I am wondering if EX player pro would be able to manage and split up the midi files for sd1 . I do not have it but have been considering it for that reason.

    David F

    #10
    57Gregy
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 14404
    • Joined: 2004/05/31 17:04:17
    • Location: Raleigh, North Carolina
    • Status: offline
    RE: Session Drummer (1) to SD2 Pattern conversion 2009/07/09 13:46:41 (permalink)
    Yeah, I can see how that would be a lot of work, and you seem to know a lot more about it than I do, especially the programming part.

    Greg 
    I am selling my MIM Fender Stratocaster HSS, red and black. PM for more details.

    Music Creator 2003, MC Pro 24, SONAR Home Studio 6 XL, SONAR  X3e, CbB, Focusrite Saffire, not enough space.
    Everything is better with pie. 

    http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=609446
    http://www.reverbnation.com/#!/gregfields 
    #11
    Jump to:
    © 2024 APG vNext Commercial Version 5.1