pierreb
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Can this laptop run SOnar 7?
Is S-ATA 4200 enough? Or is there a work around? WOuld using an external USB 2.0 drive be better? http://www.toshiba.ca/web/product.grp?lg=en§ion=1&group=1&product=7030&part=6482#spectop Just to add I am using a dual boot configuration and use Windows xp sp2.
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Fog
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RE: Can this laptop run SOnar 7?
2008/06/02 13:11:53
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hey Pierre I couldn't get the link to show heres a few others and reviews, different country.. but might give you an idea.. have a look at the reviews people make. http://www.ebuyer.com/cat/Hard-Drives/subcat/2.5%22-Laptop-SATA-Drives is it for a laptop OR just a drive? I'd go with 5400 rpm + .. although 7200 rpm is something I'd be more inclined to get myself. as for usb external , transfer rate is 410 mbits, and is slower. Handy to use for things that load into memory that I use.. As for streaming.. not so good.
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pierreb
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Processor
Intel® Core2™ Duo Processor T5450 (1.67GHz, 667MHz FSB, L1 Cache 32KB/32KB, L2 Cache 2MB)
Operating System
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium
Memory
Standard Memory: 2x1 GB DDR2 (667 MHz)
Maximum Memory: 4GB DDR2
Expansion Modules: 512MB, 1024MB or 2048 DDR2
Hard Disk Drive
200.0 billion bytes, 9.5mm height, S-ATA, 4200rpm.
Optical Drive
Built-in HD DVD ROM Super-Multi Double Layer Drive
Read: CD-ROM (24x), DVD-ROM (8x), HD DVD-ROM (1x)
Write: CD-R (24x). CD-RW (4x), DVD-R (4x), DVD-R DL (2x), DVD-RW(4x), DVD+R (4x), DVD+R DL (2.4x) DVD+RW (4x), DVD-RAM (3x)
Display System
Type: TFT Active Matrix colour LCD display
Size (diagonal): 17†Wide XGA+ TFT with TruBrite™ Screen Technology
Native LCD Panel Resolution: 1440x900x16.7 million colours
External Support and Max. Colour Support (dependant On CRT): Up to 2,048 x 1536 x 16.7 million colours
Graphics Controller
ATI Mobility Radeon® HD 2600
Video memory: 256MB dedicated VRAM
Up to 1024MB with Hypermemory
Sound System
Realtek ALC268 Software Sound stereo; Intel High
Definition Audio, Built-in Harman/Kardon® stereo speakers, Direct 3D Sound, DirectSound, DirectMusic, MIDI(playback).
Communication
V.92 56K Data/Fax Modem
10/100 integrated Ethernet LAN,
Intel Wireless LAN (802.11a/g/n)
Bluetooth Version 2.0
Integrated 1.3 Megapixel Web Camera for Video over IP
Integrated microphone for Voice over IP
Expansion
2 memory slots - each slot has 1GB. Zero free slots. Slots can be filled with 256MB, 512MB, 1GB, 2 GB modules
1 Express Card Slot
Ports: 5-in-1 Bridge Media Adaptor (SD Card, xD picture card, Memory Stick, Memory Stick Pro, Multimedia Card), 6 USB 2.0, RJ11, RJ45, IEEE1394, external microphone port, headphone port, RGB, HDMI, S-Video Out,
Keyboard
CANADIAN BILINGUAL KEYBOARD
Full sized 105 keys with 12 function keys
Dedicated Windows Keys.
CD/DVD Control Function: Play/Pause, Stop, Previous track/Next track
Pointing Device
Dual Mode Pad
Additional Software
Toshiba ConfigFreeâ„¢
Adobe Acrobat Reader
TOSHIBA Disc Creator
TOSHIBA DVD PLAYER
Norton Internet Security™ 2007 – 90 day trial
Microsoft Office 2007 – 60 day trial
Physical Dimensions
Dimensions: (WxDxH) 399 x 288 x 36/46.5 mm
Weight: 3.27kg (7.2lbs)
Color: Onyx Blue Metallic
AC Adapter
120W external Universal AC adaptor input voltage (100 – 240V 50/60Hz Frequency (Universal), output voltage (19V, 6.3A).
Dimensions : (WxHxD) 155 x 67 x 36.5 mm
Weight: 570g
Battery
Battery Type: Removable, Rechargeable 6-cell
Lithium Ion (Li-ion) 10.8V x 4000mAh capacity
Dimensions: (WxHxD) 208 x 21 x 74 mm
Recharge Time: Up to 4 hours off / 12 hours on
BIOS
ACPI support, PnP support, VESA support,
DPMS support, DDC Support, SM BIOS support, PCI BIOS Support
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CJaysMusic
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4200 is too slow, even 5200 isnt good anymore. Try to dont even try, get a 7200rpm hard drive and also get an external 7200rpm hard drive for audio only. stay away from 4200rpm drives. Even a 5200rpm with an external 7200rpm is good enough, but a 4200 is too slow. These days, its very easy to get a 7200rpm HD in a laptop, so why not get it
Cj
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robert.t
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HD DVD is a waste of money as the format has been abandoned. If you want to do HD video work, blue ray is a much better option.
Also, you need 1GB RAM minimum. (2GB+ recommended)
Lastly, if you dont already have one, get a decent audio interface There are loads of threads on this forum if you want ideas.
Rob
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pierreb
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ORIGINAL: CJaysMusic
4200 is too slow, even 5200 isnt good anymore. Try to dont even try, get a 7200rpm hard drive and also get an external 7200rpm hard drive for audio only. stay away from 4200rpm drives. Even a 5200rpm with an external 7200rpm is good enough, but a 4200 is too slow. These days, its very easy to get a 7200rpm HD in a laptop, so why not get it
Cj
Even if it's S-ATA? I already own this laptop and loaded up 10 audio tracks. The CPU and hard drive indicators barely moves. I don't get it? I may upgrade the hard disk if it;s possible.
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mudgel
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Its not that it wont work, It will just have limitations. Exactly what they will be is hard to predict but you'll see when you have problems loading multiple plugins , samples and tracks. an external audio device whilst a good idea will quickly show up any weaknesses in your system. but as you have it already why ask? just do what you want. If it works then fine. If not replace the bottlenecks. Always - More RAM Faster HDD External Audio card Firewire express card if onboard proves unsuitable Not much else you can do seeing as you already have the laptop.
post edited by mudgel - 2008/06/03 08:47:18
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Stevethesearcher
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Pierre Cj is right.
4200 RPM is too slow end of the story.5400 is also too slow.
You need a 7200 RPM hard drive to do a powerful program like Sonar justice.
I had the exact same problem as you and I have the solution for you.
I got a Seagate Momentous 7200 rpm hard drive and its working great for me.Its not noisy which can be a problem for faster hard drives and it doesnt produce too much heat which is another potential problem.
The highest you could get it was 200 gigs but that should be enough.
So your answer is a Seagate Momentous 200gigabyte 7200 RPM hard drive.
Oh I dont work for Seagate.It was just one I came across which is serving me well.
This is my first answer on this forum so all those you were slagging me off it was my always my intention to put something back in when I was able to. I am not apologising for asking any questions no matter how basic they might seem.
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Stevethesearcher
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Hitachi if I recall also have a 7200RPM 200 gigabyte hard drive.
I went for the Seagate having read some reviews.Of course you can get other 7200rpm hard drives but not at 200 gigs.
200 gigs was the max I could find at that time Feb 2008 but there may be new products since then.
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Jim Roseberry
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Even if it's S-ATA? SATA in and of itself doesn't make a HD faster. SATA has more bandwidth than IDE. Think of IDE as a two lane highway and SATA as a four lane highway. Your car (HD in this analogy) tops out at ~100MPH. So... as long as the roads aren't saturated with traffic, the maximum speed you could achieve on either highway (IDE or SATA) would be determined by the HD itself. If there's enough traffic (data flow) to saturate the IDE bus, this is where you'll do much better with SATA. 4200RPM HDs are relatively slow compared to their 5400RPM/7200RPM counterparts. If you record to an external 7200RPM HD (highly recommended), you can get away with a 5400RPM or even the 4200RPM internal HD. Sonar will just load slower... As long as you don't have high expectations of the laptop, I don't think you'll be disappointed. If you're looking for performance near the faster destop/tower units, only the fastest laptops available will come close.
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pierreb
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Hello All,
Your inputs are appreciated. I will look at upgrading the hard drive. Good job. Thanks.
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Noah330
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Buy a MacBook Pro.
IMHO it's the best music laptop going.
You can run anything you want - including Sonar
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Nick P
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RE: Can this laptop run SOnar 7?
2008/06/03 18:00:10
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One other thing - major - these prefab laptops force you to use Vista. Bad for music production, bad for Sonar. What about the Dell Vostros? This line of built-to-order PCs come with XP. Else I'd be calling Jim Roseberry to get a laptop built for music.
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APC3
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Buy a MacBook Pro.
IMHO it's the best music laptop going.
You can run anything you want - including Sonar
ORIGINAL: Nick P
One other thing - major - these prefab laptops force you to use Vista. Bad for music production, bad for Sonar. What about the Dell Vostros? This line of built-to-order PCs come with XP. Else I'd be calling Jim Roseberry to get a laptop built for music. ORIGINAL: pierreb
I already own this laptop RTFT  If your ever going to buy a Dell laptop, buy from the Latitude series though, as their FW chipsets are TeXas Instrument, which is very important in what we do, and the Vostros are not. As everyone else mention, and especially Jim, at the very least get yourself an external 7200rpm SATA/e-SATA drive for your audio, but the whole point in having a laptop to record on is to be mobile, so if you want to be completely mobile and are out of the way of an outlet at any point, your going to want to go get that faster internal drive. You can also find XP drivers for most if not all laptops. You can make Vista work, but your losing RAM to the "Machine" we all know as Vista.
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Nick P
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I didn't know that APC3. Thanks for the info. I was aware of the requirement that the FW chipset be from TI. I didn't know that the Vostros didn't have 'em and the others did.
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APC3
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My work has used Latitudes for the last 4-5 years and some guys on the floor got Vostros, and of course I had to check since they're more affordable. I guess you have to pay for the good stuff some times. Hopefully the trend continues, so far the Latidude D610 and D620 I have both are TI. Of course I use the older (Pentium M) one for everything but music and the core2duo D620 for Sonar and it's really been a workhorse. I wonder if it has to do with the Centrino, If I remember correctly "Centrino" just means a specified(better) set of hardware configs.
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mgh
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Centrino means the laptop has Intel CPU, chipset and wireless network hardware.
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APC3
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Centrino means the laptop has Intel CPU, chipset and wireless network hardware.
Thanks, I guess you really know your being lazy when you can't Google "What is Centrino" for yourself. 
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pierreb
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Even if it's S-ATA?
SATA in and of itself doesn't make a HD faster.
SATA has more bandwidth than IDE.
Think of IDE as a two lane highway and SATA as a four lane highway.
Your car (HD in this analogy) tops out at ~100MPH. So... as long as the roads aren't saturated with traffic, the maximum speed you could achieve on either highway (IDE or SATA) would be determined by the HD itself. If there's enough traffic (data flow) to saturate the IDE bus, this is where you'll do much better with SATA.
4200RPM HDs are relatively slow compared to their 5400RPM/7200RPM counterparts.
If you record to an external 7200RPM HD (highly recommended), you can get away with a 5400RPM or even the 4200RPM internal HD. Sonar will just load slower...
As long as you don't have high expectations of the laptop, I don't think you'll be disappointed. If you're looking for performance near the faster destop/tower units, only the fastest laptops available will come close.
Just upgraded to the Seagate Momentous 7200 rpm hard drive. I must say I was a bit nervous to change my Laptop Hard drive. Had done so in the past on a Desktop never on Laptop. But hey it's a snap. And using Image for DOS imaged my entire drive. The performance is much more snapier. Very happy!
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PH68
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I have been using an off-the-shelf Lenovo 3000 C200 laptop (1.8 GHz and 1GB Ram running Win XP Pro) for about a year now with no issues.
I started using it with Sonar 6 SE, then moved to Sonar 7 PE... all still works fine for me.
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Alndln
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If you record to an external 7200RPM HD (highly recommended), you can get away with a 5400RPM or even the 4200RPM internal HD. Exactly. A 4200 rpm drive is fine for programs and an internal 7200 rpm drive will only heat up a laptop faster eventually shortning it's life. Iv'e set together a few laptop DAW's with internal 4200 rpm drives with external 7200 rpm FW drives and they work fine that way.
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SH
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If you record to an external 7200RPM HD (highly recommended), you can get away with a 5400RPM or even the 4200RPM internal HD. Sonar will just load slower... Does it matter if the external HD is FW400, FW800 (if there is such a thing) or USB2.0?
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