EMU Proteus Pack - First Impressions

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April 28, 08 11:16 PM (permalink)

EMU Proteus Pack - First Impressions

I just got the Proteus Pack today and I have installed Mo Phatt and Proteus 2000. Here's what I've deduced so far:

Pros: There are a ton of sounds, especially one hit samples including drums, effects, bass, vocals, etc. The sounds are nicely organized into Kits, Synths, Vox, Keyboards, for example.

Cons: It was immediately obvious that the programming level of these sounds is minimal. I was expecting to see programs comprised of multiple elements. Instead, every program has its own single mulitsample. It's as if the developer simply converted the soundfonts into sfz files and imported them into the first element in Dimension. All of the amp, filter and pitch evelopes are hard-coded in the sfz multisample so forget quick editing of those. Not only that but most of the sounds have the same effects template as well.

If you want a lot of sounds for various musical genre's, this may be for you. If you are a meticulous programmer and immediately notice the lack there of, you may want to pass this up. The focus of this sound set if definitely on quantity, not qualilty.
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    Richard_J
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    RE: EMU Proteus Pack - First Impressions April 29, 08 1:55 AM (permalink)
    Yes. My first impressions wasn't of a high quality product and they haven't changed that much.

    I find that I prefer the samples that came standard with Dimension Pro. With one exception. I really don't like any of the pianos. But in Proteus 2000 I found the StereoGrand1. When I copied the amplitude envelope from one of the in standard pianos to the StereoGrand1 sample sfz I realised a piano I like. And it hasn't been recorded at multiple velocities either. Go figure!

    I also found a few drum sets and percussion of good quality but on the whole I don't think I'll ever use 90% of the product. I'd also be more likely to use the samples themselves than the sfz files, either imported into another program or create my own sfz files/envelopes (elements) etc.

    I'd also be skeptical about purchasing any other samplers, especially the Native-Instruments line since only a couple of the products can actually say the samples are real instrument sample recordings (e.g., Akoustic Piano) and they cost near $800.00AU each. If I bought e.g., Akoustic Piano and it was no better than the samples in Dimension Pro I would return it for a refund. I would definitely want a full demonstration before ever consider buying more software samplers. But rather than go through that hassle I'll just stick to what I have.

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    musicmanrdu
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    RE: EMU Proteus Pack - First Impressions April 29, 08 7:36 AM (permalink)
    I like the Stereo Grand 1 as well but the high end sounds fake. I think the creator left the multisamples off at the high end. To compensate for this, I think they just shortened the decay time on a sampled lower key. It has a "poink poink" sound to it. Other than that, a very playable 3 Mb Piano.

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    RE: EMU Proteus Pack - First Impressions April 29, 08 8:56 PM (permalink)
    I had a listen to the different velocities of the pianos that come standard with Dimension Pro and on the lowest velocity they are the equivalent of the StereoGrand1. However, not all of the pianos that came with Dimension Pro standard are recorded at multiple velocities so I only take half of my comments back!

    I downloaded some audio samples re: Kontakt Piano and the corresponding midi files which I imported into Sonar (played back on Dimension Pro) and my first impressions were that Dimension Pro sounded better. However I don't know all the ins and outs of Kontakt player, like how many velocities have been recorded. In Dimension Pro you can really notice changes in tonal quality when going from lo to high volume like more velocities than the 3 are needed. But I guess that's better than only 1, which is what the EMU Proteus Pack offers.
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    RE: EMU Proteus Pack - First Impressions April 29, 08 9:22 PM (permalink)
    Okay. Amungst other things I was just told that Akoustic Piano (one of the Native-Instrument samplers) was recorded using 10 different velocities. I reckon that would improve the abrupt tonal changes you can incur using Dimension Pro, which has 1 or 3 different velocities depending upon the program.
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    RE: EMU Proteus Pack - First Impressions May 03, 08 9:57 AM (permalink)
    I have to disagree. I find all the Proteus Pack very usable. Sounds as good or better than the E-mu hardware and comes with many sounds and sound catagories that the 7 gig Dimension Pro didn't even bother with much (mainly brass and other orchestra instruments).

    I've found many of the sounds very usable and they sound great.

    Though that may just be genre dependent.
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    RE: EMU Proteus Pack - First Impressions May 03, 08 7:28 PM (permalink)
    Though that may just be genre dependent.


    These are good for what they are and with Dpro you can expand them a tad. In a mix these will sound good where as a better set might need some tweaking to squeeze in.
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    RE: EMU Proteus Pack - First Impressions May 04, 08 7:43 PM (permalink)
    I was going to buy it, but personally I felt the price tag IS too high, sorry but it is.

    I was looking at an alternative
    http://www.dv247.com/invt/33958/

    which comes with "the complete Proteus 2000 soundset" , I'm a DP owner (the full version) already and I don't care if it comes with LE included. It's tempting for me as hopefully that sampler supports rx2 as multi samples NOT just RX2 loops.

    as for the prices of the modules >

    http://www.dv247.com/search/0/0/ProductQuantity/Descending/Virtuoso/1/
    (£29.99 elsewhere for the EMU one)

    http://www.dv247.com/search/0/0/ProductQuantity/Descending/mo+phat/1/

    see the BIG difference in price?

    it could be argued they aren't the same sample set, and also that's not the full pack equivalent.

    each module (6 of them) in the pack = £30 each..

    I would really / ideally like to compare both rival products side by side if I got the chance.
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    RE: EMU Proteus Pack - First Impressions May 05, 08 5:47 PM (permalink)
    What about Mac users ?
    The pack used to work fine with MacOSX 10.4 but is no longer usable with MacOSX 10.5. It took a while for Dimension Pro to be compatible with this OS and Dimension LE is still not !
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    RE: EMU Proteus Pack - First Impressions May 06, 08 2:34 PM (permalink)
    Why not just pick up the Proteus X2 instead, which includes the 2000 soundset? It's $99, so it's a better deal, and it comes with at least a dozen nice sounding grand pianos that sound way better than the DimPro pianos.
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    RE: EMU Proteus Pack - First Impressions May 06, 08 3:01 PM (permalink)
    Taylor_514C

    thats including emu hardware? here it sells with a midi interface for £74.. (about $130) if not it don't work.. as only the emu x3 works as a stand alone (and thats not out yet)

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    RE: EMU Proteus Pack - First Impressions May 07, 08 6:23 PM (permalink)
    Hey Fog,

    Yes, a midi interface is included, and it works as a standalone or as a VSTi.

    http://www.emu.com/products/product.asp?category=501&subcategory=168&product=15023
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    RE: EMU Proteus Pack - First Impressions May 07, 08 10:28 PM (permalink)
    When I saw that Cakewalk was offering the Proteus Pack I was somewhat curious about the reception considering the price and age of the Proteus. Most of the useful sounds have been used to death in pop music. Also, as fog pointed out, you may be better off getting the standalone or bundled with an EMU product. I received the Proteus DXi/VSTi with an EMU card a couple of years ago and enjoyed it but rarely use it now. Maybe I will give it another look since I have not been able to compare to my Dimension LE
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    RE: EMU Proteus Pack - First Impressions May 09, 08 7:38 PM (permalink)
    I noticed the price of cakewalk proteus pack has dropped also £40 and is now £140..

    I partly wanted to buy the emu version for the reason I'd have a sampler that supported RX2.. (as in multi samples, not loops) the new version of emulator is coming out, and you need NO hardware plugged in.

    I do need a sampler though and well some of the others are out of my price range currently.. so that will have to do, until I sort out when I can save up enough for NI Komplete.

    Taylor_514C.. yep but with this version you need the midi interface plugged in.. appart from that , looks interesting, although I notice it mentions nothing about vista also.

    I will probably buy emu's own thing, since their tech support finally said it would work with multi samples in rx2 format. .IF it doesn't I will ask to return it as for me it's not "fit for purpose".

    dubdisciple. is it version 1 or 2 your running? just curious. v2 is sold with the package I am interested in. Although I'm not sure how long before v3 is out.


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    Taylor_514C
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    RE: EMU Proteus Pack - First Impressions May 09, 08 10:30 PM (permalink)
    Hey Fog - I'm running Proteus X2 it in Vista. I was lucky to get X2 with my Xboard, so I didn't need a separate interface.
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    RE: EMU Proteus Pack - First Impressions May 11, 08 8:50 AM (permalink)
    Taylor , the proteus thing , is some desktop LE module or something with the xboard?

    not
    http://www.emu.com/products/product.asp?category=501&subcategory=168&product=14928

    errm I have enough keyboards/controllers already so the xboard isn't for me. Partly for the sampler is why I want it though..

    Although I've got till the end of may if I wanted to buy NI Komplete on offer, but maybe they will do something around xmas time. I figured £65 an instrument is good, instead of £239 for kontakt etc .. It's a lot of money to splash out though.hhmm hehe


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    RE: EMU Proteus Pack - First Impressions May 13, 08 2:16 PM (permalink)
    Fog,

    No, it's the full Proteus X2 package that came with the xboard:

    http://www.emu.com/products/product.asp?category=501&subcategory=168&product=15023

    the X2 comes with a program I like called Studio Grand Piano, and St. Thomas Strings - both sound good to my ears.

    However, I just recently purchases the Digital Sound Factory Vol. 1 expansion pack for DimPro, so now I prefer to use those pianos instead, which I think sound better than the X2 pianos. Also, X2 used to take awhile to load in Sonar, but since I've added an extra 2GB of ram, it loads quickly.


    I don't know how the Proteus expansion packs for Dimpro sound, so I can't offer a comparison.
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    RE: EMU Proteus Pack - First Impressions May 13, 08 7:16 PM (permalink)
    Taylor I got that also when CW were promo'ing it.. the c5 piano or whatever it was + the viral outbreak one..

    I'm still using my reason pianos + the challen (mrs mills piano) in the abbey road pack out of preference far more though. eXode made some additional patches for it that are sound-a-likes of very well known songs :) , but they are for reason owners only.

    it's tricky with the modules though, as due to their age I'm sure the sounds have been over used loads if that make sense. So that aspect makes me think although the NI thing is a lot more money it is worth it sound wise.


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    Re:EMU Proteus Pack - First Impressions August 26, 09 11:14 AM (permalink)
    I was curious if the sound discs that come with the Proteus X (with the EMU Xboard controllers) could be loaded into the Dimension LE Player in Sonar...without having to load the EMU instrument software ?  Anyone looked into this ?  The titles are the same...Mophatt, 2000, etc....

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    Re:EMU Proteus Pack - First Impressions August 26, 09 8:12 PM (permalink)
    I wouldn't chance it.. the EMU discs are in emu proteus format.. although I'm not sure if they'd load into the free version of proteus, they are a bit vague about that

    the DSF / cakewalk one.. is in  prog-sfz / Dimension format.. I ended up getting them off the DSF site as they are discontinued in the UK , and the ones in the cake shop were £50 or so EACH.. DSF, I bought the bundle for hmm £90 or something like that.

    I made a patch list the other day, that you might want to grab , it's

    http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=1795290

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