ACT/MIDI w AKAI MPK49

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September 07, 09 12:50 AM (permalink)

ACT/MIDI w AKAI MPK49

I know there are a lot of questions/trouble out there about configuring the MPK49 with Sonar.  I am not an exception.

I am running Sonar 8.  So far I have successfully got the transport controls working via MMC and all the keys working on plug ins but cannot get any of the sliders or knobs to work.  The Sonar preset on the controller does not map directly to the mixer on sonar via GCS or ACT so I cannot control pan or volume via the sliders or knobs.  Also MIDI Learn does not work.  When I click in key in the ACT control surface dialog and 'MIDI Learn" appears it just stays there as I turn the knob or slider I want to assign.  However, if I hit a key on the keyboard it will take and assign "C" to all the parameters. 

On any given plugin in focus when I push ACT learn in the upper R and go through the assignment process nothing happens, like it's not receiving any data.  Thie goes for knobs and sliders as well as pads (I cannot assign pads to a drum machine sound....).

Any idea what it going on?  Am I missing something obvious?
Thanks for your help.
-- Nick
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    MemphisJo
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    Re:ACT/MIDI w AKAI MPK49 September 07, 09 7:26 PM (permalink)
    Yes, unfortunately you are missing something obvious...

    ACT sucks and does not work half as well as Cakewalk would like you to think it does (or they think it does).

    After you have spent hours doing tutorials, reading the manuals, watching videos etc. someone will tell you... it's your controllers fault (i.e YOUR fault). So after you have spent a few more hours reading and fiddling with the controller... it still won't work 100% the way it should!

    The MPK49 has a pre set and hence it should work right out of the box.

    The only advice I can give you is to re initialize the Akai, select the Pre select in ACT MIDI controller and enable ACT. It should work.



     

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    Re:ACT/MIDI w AKAI MPK49 September 09, 09 10:32 PM (permalink)
    Thanks for your reply.  What do you mean by selecting the Pre select?  I somehow managed to assign one slider to a track volume on Sonar but can't get more.  When I use MIDI Learn on the ACT MIDI Controller or use ACT in the application (for example on a plug-in) they both act as if they were receiving no data from the keyboard?  Thanks again for your help.
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    Re:ACT/MIDI w AKAI MPK49 September 10, 09 5:38 AM (permalink)
    The Akai MPK49 has 3 midi outputs.  It also has whats called the Common Control or CC which you set in global options.  By default, the Sonar preset uses Port B while the CC (keyboard keys, MMC controls) use port A.  I personally like this separation as it keeps ACT controls seperate from the keyboard data.  It sounds to me like you have ACT linked to the wrong Akai input port.  I forget how it works.  I think Port B is Akai 3 or something unintuitive.  It will most likely be the next one after whatever you have the MMC set to.

    I agree that ACT is substandard but it's workable if you know its limitations...

    If you havent already, read this post I've made about the nuances of CGS and ACT:
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=1713897&high=.  Particularly read the bit about "ACT" referring to 2 different things...(e.g. you can have "ACT" in a CGS but there is an "ACT controller plugin" which can have "ACT" enabled OR disabled(!!!))

    For MPK49 I use 2 controllers:  a CGS with ACT disabled for the track controls and an ACT controller plugin (set to NOT follow context) for synths/plugins.  I use 2 data sets in my MPK (SonarTrk and SonarACT) to switch between them.  I'll send you my Akai settings if you PM me your email...

    A few things to know:
    - The ACT Akai MPK49 preset doesn't seem to do anything.
    - The CGS default setup is perfectly fine for the Akai.  Its Akai preset works fine too though you may wish to tweak it.
    - ACT plugin tends to forget your mappings to the keyboard (CGS doesnt) but they are easy to reassign
    - ACT plugin can only support 8 sliders and knobs so banks B and C on your Akai are not needed (not so for the CGS though!).  BUT ACT plugin supports its own banks, 4 to be precise, which you can assign a button to rotate through.  You CANT assign bank B or the akai to Bank 2 of ACT.  It doesnt work that way.
    - If you are happy to have only 16 mapped controls for playing with a synth or plugin, for god's sake, just use the CGS with follow context on.  It's way more stable than ACT and actually far easier to set up once you understand it.  16 isn't really that many though.  For example, a 6 band eq has Freq,Q,Res and Type = 24 controls...
    - CGS can't control the bus.  Don't bother with ACT plugin and the bus.  ACT for track controls is even wearier than for synths (no mute/solo, etc).  Don't even try.  If you want to control the bus, create a Sonar template that you always start from with the busses you most commonly use and right click each slider, knob, button and use "Assign" or whatever its called.  It's the 3rd method Sonar provides to map controls.
    - Play/Stop/Rec/etc controls on the Akai MPK49 always use the common channel so they may not be on the same midi port/channel as your knobs sliders.  I'd keep them as you have them, as a seperate MMC control.  I've tried getting fancy with them in the CGS and it's not really worth it
    - The CGS doesn't have as many button assignment options as ACT plugin but...
    - I advise not to use ACT and controller buttons for actions that can be assigned to keyboard shortcuts.  The computer keyboard is WAY more versatile than your 8 buttons plus ACT will ever be. And the buttons are all labelled!  I have a couple exceptions to this which include ACT learn and ACT lock

    Button Assignment Tips for ACT controller:

    -  For ACT you'll want to assign a "shift" key.   It allows you to assign alternate controls to buttons (just like Shift on the comp keyboard).  You might want to make one of your drum pads into a controller and use that as the shift key.  I then set each of my buttons to use ACT so they control the active synth/plugin but I set the SHIFT+Button to not use ACT and assign them to controls I always want available.  For me, these are as follows:
      - ACT lock
      - ACT learn
      - Toggle ACT Display
      - Prev Slider/Controller Bank
      - Next Slider/Controller Bank

    Good luck and let me know if any of this needs clarification.

    Gratefully
    HKS

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