sonar 8: 100% crashes with v-vocal

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2009/06/06 17:29:38 (permalink)

sonar 8: 100% crashes with v-vocal

I`ve got sonar 8 and every time I try to use v-vocal, it crashes! I have 3 friends with the same problem. Can it be solved?

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    RE: sonar 8: 100% crashes with v-vocal 2009/06/06 18:00:42 (permalink)
    8.0? or 8.3.1?

    are you always testing the same vocal clip?

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    RE: sonar 8: 100% crashes with v-vocal 2009/06/06 18:15:51 (permalink)
    If your registered, get the 8.3.1 update. Its fixes allot of things

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    RE: sonar 8: 100% crashes with v-vocal 2009/06/06 21:16:51 (permalink)
    Three friends with the same exact version of SONAR? Same computer? Same project? Is there some reason none of you have sent a crash dump to Cakewalk yet?


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    RE: sonar 8: 100% crashes with v-vocal 2009/06/07 11:22:07 (permalink)
    I can confirm it, very buggy, I had a thread over that last week..
    think we´ll have to wait till the next version, it´s a pity, cause VV is actually a great thing..


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    RE: sonar 8: 100% crashes with v-vocal 2009/06/07 12:07:15 (permalink)

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    I can confirm it, very buggy, I had a thread over that last week..
    think we´ll have to wait till the next version, it´s a pity, cause VV is actually a great thing..



    Huh, I'm not sure you have to wait till S9. Most of us here are using V-Vocal with no issues. Have you tried adjusting your latency. How about the playback and record buffers? With your set up you should have no problems. Maybe it has something to do with your video card. Don't know just taking some shots in the dark here.

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    RE: sonar 8: 100% crashes with v-vocal 2009/06/07 12:43:53 (permalink)
    Bounce the v-vocal clip immediately to a clip and you will have no problems.
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    RE: sonar 8: 100% crashes with v-vocal 2009/06/07 13:06:40 (permalink)
    Funny, I hear of how buggy V-Vocal is but it has never crashed for me. Just luck I guess.

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    RE: sonar 8: 100% crashes with v-vocal 2009/06/07 19:05:23 (permalink)
    I find that I need to keep the clip reasonably short. I usually record the vocal track, find logical pauses in the vocal clip, use the split tool to split the clips into a number of separate clips in the track, then create the v-vocal clip for each one. A typical song may have six or more clip sections that I create a v-vocal; it just seems easier to handle. Afterwards, bounce all the clips back into a track or unified clip (or whatever). Hope this helps.

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    RE: sonar 8: 100% crashes with v-vocal 2009/06/07 20:07:34 (permalink)
    -I`ve not tried the 8.3.1 update. I will try it.Thanks!

    - It`s not the same vocal clip, I`ve tried it a lot of times in different projects.

    - "Three friends with the same exact version of SONAR? Same computer? Same project?" No, they are 3 different versions of sonar, different computers and different projects. And there is no support from sonar here where I live. You don`t you believe me, right?
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    RE: sonar 8: 100% crashes with v-vocal 2009/06/07 20:49:11 (permalink)
    I've seen similar things with VV. My solution was to just stop using it. I use Auto-tune now and it never crashes Sonar. Cleaner. Better sounding. Less artifacts and no phasing. I presume Melodyne will produce similar or better results as AT. Pick one and never look back!

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    RE: sonar 8: 100% crashes with v-vocal 2009/06/08 10:02:56 (permalink)

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    I've seen similar things with VV. My solution was to just stop using it. I use Auto-tune now and it never crashes Sonar. Cleaner. Better sounding. Less artifacts and no phasing. I presume Melodyne will produce similar or better results as AT. Pick one and never look back!


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    RE: sonar 8: 100% crashes with v-vocal 2009/06/08 11:16:30 (permalink)
    there is no support from sonar here where I live.

    Where do you live? On Mars? If you have email you have access to SONAR support. Send an email to support@cakewalk.com, describing your problem and asking where you can send the crash dump.

    Until the crash dump is examined, there is no way to know why V-Vocal is crashing for you. Don't just sit back and wait for version 9 - if they (CW/Roland) don't know there is a problem with V-V, no fix will be forthcoming.

    Many software bugs are difficult to reproduce. You may have stumbled onto some rare combination that causes V-V to fail, in which CW would want to know what that combination is so they can reproduce and then fix the problem.

    And it's entirely possible that the issue is not with V-Vocal. The crash dump will tell.


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    RE: sonar 8: 100% crashes with v-vocal 2009/06/08 12:12:19 (permalink)
    I agree it's a good idea to forward the crash dump files to Cake so they can analyze the problem(s) but don't expect a response from them on the subject. I went through this with Cake last year right after the V8 release. They don't respond to crash dump files. As painful as it is to call them from outside the USA, I suspect that's the only way to get any immediate response to problems like this. You can't expect us to respond helpfully to threads with little or no background information.

    If a single instance of VV is crashing your system, then there is certainly something wrong with your installation. I can at least run a few instances of VV before I start to notice any crashing. I might suggest, for no other reason than to save your sanity, you try a clean installation all the way back to your operating system. The troubleshooting method should go something like this:

    1) install OS and the MOBO drivers (make sure they are the latest and greatest)
    2) install Sonar
    3) try opening the project that is giving you trouble and then see if VV still crashes your system.

    If it doesn't crash upon first instance, then that at least tells you that there was something probably loaded and running in the background that was interfering with Sonar or some part of the installation of the OS and Sonar had gotten corrupted over time.

    If it crashes with just that minimal set of software and drivers installed, then there might be a hardware issue involved. Good luck!

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    RE: sonar 8: 100% crashes with v-vocal 2009/06/08 13:11:47 (permalink)
    I seem to recall someone else reporting major problems with V-Vocal crashes. They were able to solve the problem by including and enabling the Cronus.dll in the plugin manager.
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    RE: sonar 8: 100% crashes with v-vocal 2009/06/08 17:32:50 (permalink)

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    RE: sonar 8: 100% crashes with v-vocal 2009/09/05 21:22:17 (permalink)
    I can't use V-Vocal at all. Cronus.dll crashes every time.

    • Have updated to 8.3.1
    • Re-registered the DLL by running the following two commands:
      • regSVR32 /U "c:\program files\cakewalk\shared dxi\vvocal\cronus.dll"
      • regSVR32 "c:\program files\cakewalk\shared dxi\vvocal\cronus.dll"
    • Reactivated Cronus.DLL in Sonar as it was showing as an excluded plug-in
    • Updated XP SP2 to SP3 just in case (no change)
    • Attempted to bounce to clip; it crashed while doing so

    The only thing I have not done yet is reinstall Sonar. Honestly I have no troubles except with this one plugin/DLL.

    Incidentally I have tried making a new project, with one audio track, and recorded about 10 seconds of audio to test this. It crashes. Every time.

    As I read through all the forums, including the lengthy one wherein people were having trouble downloading the 8.3.1 update, I am becoming worrisome about the apparent lack of Cakewalk employees or technical support agents posting. Do they not read these forums? Do I need to call them for any troubleshooting of this nature?

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    RE: sonar 8: 100% crashes with v-vocal 2009/09/05 21:33:36 (permalink)
    Cakewalk Employees do post here from time to time however this is a user forum and not an official support forum. There is a sticky the to top of the forum which has information on how to contact Cakewalk directly for support.

    I have had good luck with vvocal myself but I usually only have one clip active at a time. I have had some 3-4 min vvocal clips though without having any trouble but most the time I use shorter clips because of the advice of those that have had trouble.

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    RE: sonar 8: 100% crashes with v-vocal 2009/09/05 22:22:15 (permalink)
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    -I`ve not tried the 8.3.1 update. I will try it.Thanks!

    - It`s not the same vocal clip, I`ve tried it a lot of times in different projects.

    - "Three friends with the same exact version of SONAR? Same computer? Same project?" No, they are 3 different versions of sonar, different computers and different projects. And there is no support from sonar here where I live. You don`t you believe me, right?


    I'd say your story is highly suspect. I'd say your problem is your computer is not up to the task, but since you didn't provide any specs, no one can really tell.

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    RE: sonar 8: 100% crashes with v-vocal 2009/09/05 23:01:34 (permalink)
    i had one crash with v-vocal and it was because i tried to do a whole track at once to much cpu used up to process too much at once and it crashed ..now if i use it ..i do very short clips and it works great ...i too have melodyne and autotune but still find i need v-vocal for certain clips.


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    Re:sonar 8: 100% crashes with v-vocal 2009/09/05 23:33:18 (permalink)
    You and your friend are now tied for the record. The previous record for v-vocal crashes was 96%. Now there will have to be a runoff.
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    Re:sonar 8: 100% crashes with v-vocal 2009/09/06 00:02:51 (permalink)
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    Re:sonar 8: 100% crashes with v-vocal 2009/09/06 10:13:41 (permalink)
    I  use to use V Vocal , But it has crash one to many times, from ver 7 to Ver 8.31..
     its definatly the most stable with 8.31 .. but the jitters and sometimes crashing make me hate it.. so I use Auto tune ,, NEVER had a single crash, NO joking.. It works awesome.. VV is great too, but still buggy..if you dont mind working and then out of the blue crash bang restart..
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