Philip
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Ozone4 vs Masterpiece2
IIRC, Jeff mentioned a great mastering tool called Masterpiece 2 (about $14,500 stripped of pass filters), by R. Neve. Jeff, IIRC, highly appreciates the technical side of mastering; so do many of you. He certainly has inspired me a bit. I'm wondering if any of you might have the audacity to compare and/or contrast the 2: Ozone(4) vs Masterpiece(2) Or if any of you have 'dreamed' of getting the Masterpiece 2 (for your mastering-dream-house/apartment). Do you think its overpriced? I've read only a few reviews on it and don't know if its really necessary ... especially 'if the mix is already good' ... as per Bob Katz (Mastering Audio) and others. Do you tentatively conclude that Masterpiece 2 could really help make you/I numero uno ... in your own mastering craft? And/or will you just stick with Ozone compatible stuff ... for now?
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dlogan
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Re:Ozone4 vs Masterpiece2
2009/10/08 12:36:39
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That's probably a situation where I would not have the skills to take advantage of its full potential. I'm pretty sure I don't have the highly-trained ears, expert knowledge of compression, EQ techiques, mastering quality monitors, etc that would make it even close to making it worth the cost. My mastering tools simply include EQ, Voxengo Soniformer (multiband compression) and Voxengo Elephant plug-ins with some help from Voxengo SPAN. Sometimes some BBE Sonic Maximizer. For now, I'd say those tools are pretty much adequate based on my skill level! Hopefully one day my mastering skills will outgrow my tools!!!
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Re:Ozone4 vs Masterpiece2
2009/10/08 13:41:17
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Well, after spending $60,000 to build a mastering room, equipping it with $30,000 in hardware and spending $80,000 on speakers, another $14k on software wouldn't seem like an extravagance.
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gamblerschoice
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Re:Ozone4 vs Masterpiece2
2009/10/08 14:22:17
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Bitflipper, are you quoting your personal expenditures, or just a wish list? If you just outlined your own studio, I am in awe, humbled to be in your (virtual) presence. Later Albert
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gamblerschoice
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Re:Ozone4 vs Masterpiece2
2009/10/08 14:33:31
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http://www.proaudioreview.com/article/90 Link to a review of the Masterpiece system. Impressive, to say the least. Maybe I should start answering those e-mails I get from Nigeria that tell me I have several million dollars in an account and they are just waiting for my bank account information... Heavy sigh... Later Albert
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Re:Ozone4 vs Masterpiece2
2009/10/08 14:39:26
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That's really a hard one to determine having a view on. They have a lease program it appears so maybe one could judge for them selves by using it for a while. It also looks like the design and components used give it a certain "character" in sound. It has input and output transformers. That's one thing that will give it a certain character compared to equipment that doesn't use transformers. Rupert Neve seems to have gone from a more mindset of thinking "tech" in his designs to a bit more "musical" in his "mindset of design" (that is if I'm correct) mostly or in part by guys like this guy "with the golden ears" I don't have Ozone so I can't remark on that either. I think a single or given unit can solve or improve upon a given "area" but it can't "do everything"
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Jeff Evans
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Re:Ozone4 vs Masterpiece2
2009/10/08 17:55:49
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The Masterpiece is certainly piece of gear that can cover many bases and I would have to say can do everything. I mean what would you need as well as that? My gut feeling is that the Masterpiece although an amazing bit of gear is overpriced like most analog stuff. What are you going to do when that whole thing comes out as a plugin and it will! And it will be a fraction of the price. UAD will take it on and make it happen. They are the folks that so far have been able to emulate very high quality analog processing. Including Neve processors already. They are not selling thousands of Masterpieces a day and they will realise soon that the plugin product will be the only way to go like many other synths and processors that have been turned into digital equivalents. (in order to make money) I was a show earlier this year and got chatting to the guys on the Mixmasters stand. They bring UAD into Australia and also they sell heaps of beautiful expensive analog gear as well. When I asked them about how good these UAD plugins really are they just said 'frightening' This was a very off the record type of honest question/answer too by the way, not just an answer to sell more UAD stuff.
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Philip
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Re:Ozone4 vs Masterpiece2
2009/10/09 17:29:10
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Thanks Bit, Dlogan, Gambler, Jimmy, and Jeff for your provoking thoughts. Very well Jeff. Thanks for chiming again. Your logic (as usual) seems $trongly convincing. OTOH: The UAD stuff was already a strong consideration for me ... but after Window's 7 stabilizes and I can be confident with a UAD card ... preferably ... a UAD portable card. Earlier, I posted another thread hoping that UAD would someday become obsolete ... as Windows and computers finally become more DAW friendly ... to handle all VST-software inherently. Analogously, I own a $2000 Ax-FX-Ultra pre-amp processor which contains hundreds of Fx-box emulations (including all mastering tools) ... that I'm experimenting with as a Send-Return on gig-gear (a cheap old SHS PA system for now). The problem with the Ax-Fx is that you have to sit and stare at the non-user friendly 3 inch window ... and dial into stuff repeatedly (AKA, many many vexing hand movements) NI is trying to make guitar-gear software that emulates all the boxes, too ... perhaps $1000+/-. It seems to me to ultimately require Window's 7 to handle memory gluttony and CPU strains ... but for my mastering (and mixing) madness ... nothing beats a computer display ... thus Ozone has my attention. Perhaps there is something signficantly 'better' than Ozone you'd recommend.
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bitflipper
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Re:Ozone4 vs Masterpiece2
2009/10/09 19:36:27
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Bitflipper, are you quoting your personal expenditures, or just a wish list? If you just outlined your own studio, I am in awe, humbled to be in your (virtual) presence. Hardly! Although I did spend half a million dollars on my studio. But it came with a 4-bedroom house and a 3-car garage attached to it. No granite speakers anchored to bedrock, though.
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gamblerschoice
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Re:Ozone4 vs Masterpiece2
2009/10/10 01:31:17
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Well, Bitflipper, you do come to these forums with a lot of detailed knowledge. It is apparent you not only learned this stuff, you studied it. So it would not surprise me that you had a full scale, large dollar studio. Not hard to spend a half a mill on four bedrooms and three car garage these days. Later Albert
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Re:Ozone4 vs Masterpiece2
2009/10/20 16:59:02
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"Not hard to spend a half a mill on four bedrooms and three car garage these days." It is in the Omaha area. :) Actually, as winter starts to creep up on us here in Nebraska, I have to remind myself of the advantages of living here - home prices being one of them! Now, where did the sun go and why won't I see it for six months?
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Re:Ozone4 vs Masterpiece2
2009/10/20 20:03:19
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If I spent that kind of money on one software package...or anything else related to my music habit....... I'd need to borrow one of those spare bedrooms in Bit's house.....
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Re:Ozone4 vs Masterpiece2
2009/10/20 20:22:00
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It is in the Omaha area. :) Not in the overpriced, over taxed, over paid Pacific NW
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