Basic error on my part - can someone advise?

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2009/10/26 07:07:30 (permalink)

Basic error on my part - can someone advise?

This will sound totally stupid to most of you but I'm doing something wrong and perhaps you can help.

I record keyboards through Cakewalk UA25 interface (midi in and out connected). However, when I play back the track and listen on headphones, the piano track comes out through the keyboard speakers and not through the headphones!

Even worse - if I have set the keyboard (cheap Yamaha) to say - trumpet and record as such - if I change the keyboard sound to say - organ - in the meantime and playback the track on which I recorded the trumpet sound - it now plays back as organ!

As you can see, I'm not at all experienced, though I have had sonar for some time, I have only got around to setting up my studio this month.

Thanks in advance.
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    NTO
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    Re:Basic error on my part - can someone advise? 2009/10/26 08:45:39 (permalink)

    Cakewalk UA25 interface

    I qualify for totally stupid!

    Here's some basic concept stuff that appears to be relevant to your experience.
    Midi is data, not sound.  You are recording a description of your playing into Sonar, and sending it from Sonar back to your Yamaha.   Congratulations!  There are many posts here from folks who weren't getting that far...

    If you want to hear this description as sound on your computer audio output, you need to insert a sound generator (soft synth) into your Sonar project.  Then select that for the output of the midi track, rather than the midi I/O that your description implies is currently set there.

    The voice that the description plays in is controlled in the bank/patch portion of the output selection,  When set to the soft synth, you will see the detailed descriptions available for that plugin.   If you would prefer to have the description sound appropriate voices on your keyboard (output still set as midi and using the keyboard as a 'sound module') you need to have an instrument definition file loaded into Sonar that describes the bank/patch definitions for your keyboard.  There are generic General Midi and Yamaha XG definitions included in most (all?) versions that you can experiment with.

    A general comment - You can learn a LOT by using the search function on this board or in the Google universe.  Many times people will not respond to your questions if it seems you have not tried to help yourself by doing so.

    Good luck and have fun!

    post edited by NTO - 2009/10/26 08:47:35
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    Spaceduck
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    Re:Basic error on my part - can someone advise? 2009/10/26 08:51:27 (permalink)
    What's up, doc. Welcome to the forum & the world of recording!

    The long answer to your question can be found here:
    "Difference Between MIDI and Audio"
    http://www.cakewalk.com/S...essons/MIDIvsAudio.asp

    The short answer is this, more or less... There are 2 types of "recordings". The most common one we think of is called "Audio" (singing into a mic, playing a guitar plugged into your computer).  The 2nd type is called "MIDI" and is actually not a sound recording but merely a map of what notes were played.

    On its own, a MIDI recording is as useless as a piece of sheet music without an instrument. When you playback your MIDI track, the computer tells your keyboard what to play. That's why the sound always comes out of your keyboard speakers & also why changing patches on your keyboard will change the "recorded" sound.

    You can convert MIDI to Audio in a number of ways. You could
    1. plug your keyboard outputs into your computer, then playback the MIDI track while recording your keyboard's output as Audio; or
    2. route your MIDI track's output to an internal MIDI device (a software synth on your computer), and use the feature "Bounce MIDI to Audio"

    Someone else might be able to explain it better, or you could check out that Cakewalk link. It can be confusing at first, but once you get the hang of it, everything makes sense

    edit: oops looks like I was a few seconds too late. NTO already explained things pretty well.
    post edited by Spaceduck - 2009/10/26 08:53:51

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    The Maillard Reaction
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    Re:Basic error on my part - can someone advise? 2009/10/26 09:03:42 (permalink)
    Hi,
     Why not tell us a bit about your system?

     For many of us, the use of a hardware synth or sound module (the one built in your keyboard) has become unnecessary as the use of virtual synthesis has replaced the hardware.

     You may consider a move into that sort of work flow... meaning that you might elect to use your keyboard as a controller (the keys) and not as a sound module.

     In any event, at the moment you seem to need to learn about MIDI tracking and audio recording.

     Is your keyboard multi timbral? Does it accept multiple MIDI channels?

     If you want to have multiple instruments sound from it at once then it has to have those features. If it does, you simply program your SONAR MIDI tracks (in each tracks output drop down menu) to go to the different MIDI channels. You select appropriate banks and patches in the same area.

     If you intend to collect the sound within SONAR so as to publish a audio file on CD or mp3 then you need to convert the MIDI performances into audio files. You'll need to learn to route the sound from your keyboards sound module outputs into your computer audio inputs so that you can record them as sound in SONAR. Most of us would do that track by track... but you can do a mix or sub groups as well. Anything goes. You just ave to decide how you will do it with your system.

     Soft synths make this a lot easier... if you have a recent edition of SONAR and a fast computer.

     This has been a very a crude overview... let us know what made sense and what stuff seemed too remedial or basic for where you are... and then someone can help you with specifics.

     best regards,
    mike


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    dochara
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    Re: Basic error on my part - can someone advise? 2009/10/27 18:16:45 (permalink)
    You have been amazingly helpful guys - thanks very much.

    I'll study all you've written and be back soon! 

    P.S: I did actually do a search before I posted my question but I may not have been using the right wording as I could find nothing relevant. Sorry if I missed it.
    post edited by dochara - 2009/10/27 18:21:03
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