Problem with Frontier Design Dakota

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2009/10/26 22:02:50 (permalink)

Problem with Frontier Design Dakota

Hi there,
I run a Dakota sound card and can't get any audio into Sonar 8.5 through it.
I'm going ADAT and nothing showing on the Sonar input meters and no waveform
after recording a few bars.
My AD converter is getting signal so I'm assuming that the Dakota is the week link.
The audio comes out of Sonar, thru Dakota, thru the DA converter just fine.
Any thoughts?
Thanks!
 

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    daveny5
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    Re:Problem with Frontier Design Dakota 2009/10/26 22:17:24 (permalink)
    What do you have plugged into the inputs of the Dakota? Are you using the optical inputs?

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    Re:Problem with Frontier Design Dakota 2009/10/26 22:21:19 (permalink)
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    What do you have plugged into the inputs of the Dakota? Are you using the optical inputs?


    That's the only inputs that the Dakota has.

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    Re:Problem with Frontier Design Dakota 2009/10/26 22:23:35 (permalink)
    Its the only audio inputs. It has a MIDI port too from what I could tell from the manual.

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    Re:Problem with Frontier Design Dakota 2009/10/26 22:24:03 (permalink)
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    Hi there,
    I run a Dakota sound card and can't get any audio into Sonar 8.5 through it.
    I'm going ADAT and nothing showing on the Sonar input meters and no waveform
    after recording a few bars.
    My AD converter is getting signal so I'm assuming that the Dakota is the week link.
    The audio comes out of Sonar, thru Dakota, thru the DA converter just fine.
    Any thoughts?
    Thanks!
     

    Have you gone into the Options>Audio>Advanced and checked to see if the Dakota Inputs are active?
     
    I have to mention the obvious, did you record enable the tracks?
     
    In the Dakota Tray, are you seeing indication that the Dakota inputs are receiving data?

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    Re:Problem with Frontier Design Dakota 2009/10/27 10:47:16 (permalink)
    That's the only inputs that the Dakota has.

    Nah, it has spdif as well. I use it every day :)

    To the OP: Does your Dakota control panel "Clock/Device Status" page show green lights with no slashes through them on your "Digital Input Status" section of the input you're using?

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    Re:Problem with Frontier Design Dakota 2009/10/27 12:02:13 (permalink)
    How are you clocking your input signal? Also, the selected and "Actual" sample rates have to agree.


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    Re:Problem with Frontier Design Dakota 2009/10/27 12:29:59 (permalink)
    tarsier



    That's the only inputs that the Dakota has.

    Nah, it has spdif as well. I use it every day :)

    To the OP: Does your Dakota control panel "Clock/Device Status" page show green lights with no slashes through them on your "Digital Input Status" section of the input you're using?


    <LOL> Yes, it has spdif.  I have mine disabled to keep SONAR from wanting to grab them for my main out every now and then.

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    Re:Problem with Frontier Design Dakota 2009/10/28 21:24:01 (permalink)
    Hi there everyone,
    Thanks for getting back to me!
     
      Dave, Behringer ADA8000 is plugged into the inputs of the Dakota. I'm using the optical inputs.

    Dave M, I've gone into the Options>Audio>Advanced and the Dakota Inputs are active.   
    I did record enable the tracks.  
    In the Dakota Tray, I am seeing indication that the Dakota inputs are receiving data.
    Tarsier, My Dakota control panel "Clock/Device Status" page shows green for “signal”, red for “format” and the “slip” light goes from red to green with a slash in the "Digital Input Status" section of the input I'm using.




    Datadog, I've tried all combinations of clocking my input signal. I've used all the options with Dakota as master and slave, the ADA800 as master and slave, SMPTE, MIDI, ADAT sync, etc. I'm not sure what you mean by "Actual" sample rate. But all the sample rates are at 44.1
     
    This thing was working fine until about a week ago........
    I've uninstalled the Dakota and reinstalled it, reinstalled the drivers blah, blah, woof, woof.  Dicked around with it today for 3 hours.  I wish I could run the Wave Profiler again but I guess it only runs one on install with 8.5
    Any ideas?
    Thanks!
     
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    post edited by robcathcart - 2009/10/28 21:25:03

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    Re:Problem with Frontier Design Dakota 2009/10/28 22:17:13 (permalink)
    Well, there's the posibility that the Dakota has gone bad.

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    Re:Problem with Frontier Design Dakota 2009/10/29 01:37:51 (permalink)
    I have mine disabled to keep SONAR from wanting to grab them for my main out every now and then.

     
    I have my SPDIF channel enabled for the opposite reason, so I _can_ use it for my main outputs when I check MP3 playback through MS Media Player.
     
    I'm on business trip, so I have no access to my DAW as it's 800 miles away <sigh>. Otherwise I'd run out to see how I have my Dakota/Montana set up. I believe that I have one of my mAudio Octane units as the master feeding the other three units as slaves, then I have the Dakota set to sync on my optical A input which is my master. I know there's some other setup that is critcal related to bit depth and right/left justification of the data, but I can't remember it off the top of my head. Do you have access to another A/D unit jsut to do a test? I'd be more inclined to believe that the ADA unit died than the Dakota, but who knows?
     
    The Dakota is a great card, mine have outlived three DAWs ... I hope you iron this out soon, good luck!
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    Re:Problem with Frontier Design Dakota 2009/10/29 07:57:47 (permalink)
    The OP has indicated that the Dakota tray is indicating that it is getting signal into the unit so that's the reason that I was wondering if something has gone wrong on the Dakota card somewhere. 

    The next thing I would do, since the OP has said that everything was working a week ago, is to use System Restore to restore the computer to a date where he is sure that everything was running as expected.

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    Re:Problem with Frontier Design Dakota 2009/10/29 10:22:16 (permalink)
    Tarsier, My Dakota control panel "Clock/Device Status" page shows green for “signal”, red for “format” and the “slip” light goes from red to green with a slash in the "Digital Input Status" section of the input I'm using.

    If everything is clocked properly, and you aren't changing sample rates ever, then that's not right. You should have 3 greens there with no slashes.

    Since you have red for format, I'd investigate the possibility that your source or your lightpipe cable might have a problem.

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    Re:Problem with Frontier Design Dakota 2009/10/29 10:54:06 (permalink)
    Mod Bod


    Well, there's the posibility that the Dakota has gone bad.

    It's been awhile, since my Dakota is in an ancient machine that rarely gets fired up, but can't you route the Dakota's inputs directly to its outputs in Dakota tray? You could confirm that you're getting good input/clocking/etc. that way.

    Any you should be able to rerun wave profiler if you delete the audio.ini file.

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    Re:Problem with Frontier Design Dakota 2009/10/29 12:46:02 (permalink)
    Hi there and thanks again for all the replies.
     
    ADAT cable is good.  Maybe the Behringer converter bit the dust.
    I knew I shouldn't have cut corners there.........
     
    Drewfx,
    I was layin' there last night and came up with the same idea of looping the ADAT cable.
    Brilliant minds think alike!  I'll get to that this afternoon.
    If that shows the Dakota to be good, I'll go with the Wave Profiler rerun.
    What else might I have to redo after deleting the audio.ini?
     
    Thanks again everybody!
     
    I'll report my latest scientific observations in the near future.
     
     

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    Re:Problem with Frontier Design Dakota 2009/10/29 14:35:31 (permalink)
    I checked the docs. I was thinking of using the Dakota Patchbay Tab. From the user manual:

    Patchbay Tab
    The Patchbay tab lets you route any of Dakota/Montana’s audio inputs
    to any of the audio outputs. You can use the Patchbay tab both for
    input monitoring and for digital audio format conversions.

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    Re:Problem with Frontier Design Dakota 2009/10/29 17:00:30 (permalink)
    Rob,
    As Tarsier mentioned, there is a clocking problem with your setup. All the lights need to be green for the Optical input you are driving the signal with. If the ADA8000 is the only ADAT optical signal connected to the Dakota, I would set the ADA8000 as Master 44.1 and set the Dakota as follows:

      

    Notice the "Actual" Sample rate agrees with the set Sample Rate. Trigger from Opt B if your signal is plugged into the Dakota B Optical input. In the screen shot shown, I am not using port C on the Montana card, so it shows all red bars.

    Hope this helps.

    Sorry, The screenshot won't load, so in the Dakota Control Panel, set the Clock Source to Dig In, Opt A (or B). All the bars should be green for the port you are using.
    post edited by datadog - 2009/10/29 17:14:27

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    Re:Problem with Frontier Design Dakota 2010/05/25 02:23:45 (permalink)
    resurrection time!
    I am considering buying a used Dakota montana sierra setup and wondered what the team thinks of these cards in a modern setup?
    In mid build of a 6 core AMD computer and would like to get something decent that doesnt cost a fortune. Frontier design stuff ticks a lot of boxes for me, since I cant afford MOTU or RME

    Help?
    Pretty please?
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    Re:Problem with Frontier Design Dakota 2011/04/01 13:14:40 (permalink)
    Did you ever get the P6T Deluxe V2 and Dakota to play nice? I'm looking at that MB because it has two legacy slots for my Dakota/Montana cards. 
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