Falsetto questions

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2009/10/29 13:30:38 (permalink)

Falsetto questions

1st question: how do you record it (distance from mic, etc)? And what techniques do you use to make it less obvious? When I record it, I get way too much air. If I back off, then I lose the tonal quality completely. (And if I sing it louder, I sound like a cranky grandmother from Monty Python)

2nd question: What do you call the "soft voice" that's not quite falsetto? And how do you do it??

An example is Freddy Mercury in "Bohemian Rhapsody". Check out the 1st verse (around 1:00) when he says

"Mama, life had just begun
But now I've gone & thrown
it all away"

What's confusing is the way he switches back & forth with his loud voice in the same breath, and yet there's no abrupt crossover like you hear with yodeling. I remember a vocal coach talking about singing from the chest/belly vs. singing from the forehead (both in normal voice). Is that what we're hearing with Freddy?

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    skullsession
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    Re:Falsetto questions 2009/10/29 14:15:30 (permalink)
    Good questions.

    You might do better to join up at www.themodernvocalist.com to get good qualified answers.  Lost of killer rock singers (and otherwise) there willing to discuss and help.

    Not that folks here won't offer advice...but maybe a different sounding board for you to try.

    But consider this.  The full voice is supported with the diaphram, and quite often more constricted at the vocal chords and projected more toward the middle to the front of the pallet.

    A falsetto is more of a throaty/lungy sort of thing....for most people.  Most often projected more toward the back of the pallet.

    A good singer, with a strong full voice AND a strong falsetto is able to sing in a falsetto with extreme support coming from the diaphram, as well as constricting it at the vocal chords while projecting more toward the back of the throat.

    When you can do this, it's not too tough to move from one to the other without that "hard shift" that you're associating with a yodel.

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    Re:Falsetto questions 2009/10/29 14:54:43 (permalink)
    reach down, and squeeze.

    timing is everything.




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    Re:Falsetto questions 2009/10/29 14:57:10 (permalink)
    Is that what we're hearing with Freddy?


    what you're hearing, is pure talent and practice in action.

    like anything else, you must practice this kind of vocalizing a lot, and develop the vocal chords to react the way you want.

    but technique and study will only get you so far...

    you more or less have got to be born with it, for it sound 'good' and natural.


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    Re:Falsetto questions 2009/10/29 15:37:21 (permalink)
    I've always heard the softer falsetto described as "half voice", usually happens as you transition for upper natural range and below true falsetto. Doubling is almost a necessity for falsetto vocals IMHO. (There are a few classic R&B singers that do this really well without doubling, ie Smokey). Generally if you're getting too much air in the vocal track you might lower the mic cartridge in relation to your mouth. (Don't over-do it though or things can get nasal). You might also consider using a dynamic mic and a good pre rather than a condenser.
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    Re:Falsetto questions 2009/10/29 15:48:36 (permalink)
    And if I sing it louder, I sound like a cranky grandmother from Monty Python


    Actually, I think that would sound like Pink Floyd and back in the day they were pretty successful. 

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    Re:Falsetto questions 2009/10/29 15:51:01 (permalink)
    check out any of Prince's catalog.

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    Re:Falsetto questions 2009/10/29 21:03:15 (permalink)
    Actually, I believe that most non singers (most people?) sing with what you are calling half voice.  It's kind of almost a falsetto but not quite.

    With practice falsetto to normal and back is easy to do. It does not have to sound like a yodel when you change.  Start slow, then increase the speed.

    Listen to the black singers from the 60's.... Smokey Robinson, the Temptations,  and others of that time. They almost always sang in a high falsetto voice, that was strong. Lead and BGV all sang falsetto.......Until Barry White came along and made deep male voices sexy again.

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    Re:Falsetto questions 2009/10/29 23:28:27 (permalink)
    Sometimes it's hard to distiguish between a falsetto and an "upper register" head voice.  "But now I've gone & thrown it all away" is all in his full voice - not falsetto.  What you are hearing is his head voice switching into his chest voice - and that is why there is no break.  But it is all full voice.  There are other moments in the song that do sound like falsetto to me.  I was taught that you can sing as high in your head voice as you can with your falsetto - and I've spent years developing my upper register to do just that - it can be done.  But some of those really high tenors don't really have to worry about developing it, they just have it.
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    Re:Falsetto questions 2009/10/30 09:54:35 (permalink)
    This is great info, gang. After reading your comments I realize what I need is probably the "head voice" or a blended voice like skull mentioned. Basically I need a way to hit those high notes that are just out of my range, but I don't want it to sound like I'm doing anything too different.

    The motown greats (Smokey, the Temptations, all the way thru Prince) use a falsetto that's really smooth, but it's instantly recognizable as falsetto. But then there are those classic rock singers like Freddy Mercury or Brad Delp whose falsettos blend perfectly with their normal voice.

    At all costs, I want to avoid the Beegee's "Stayin Alive" sound

    I'm going to do some more research on that "head voice" thing (great site, skull), and I'll practice the crossover slowly like Hack said. Tech wise, I'm playing with singing off-axis/above the mic, and that definitely helps to cut down the airy quality. Bummer that I don't have the natural ability, but maybe with enough practice & studio magic, I can cheat the listeners

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    Re:Falsetto questions 2009/10/30 12:01:15 (permalink)
    Another one to study is Phillip Bailey of Earth, Wind and Fire. Generally many of the 70's male vocalists and ensembles (Shylights, Bluenotes, DeBarge, Cuba Gooding Sr., Eddie Hollman) had this down to a science. Sadly, since the trend in R&B focussed more on MCs than singers, it's become a bit of a lost art.
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    Re:Falsetto questions 2009/10/30 20:16:36 (permalink)
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    This is great info, gang. After reading your comments I realize what I need is probably the "head voice" or a blended voice like skull mentioned. Basically I need a way to hit those high notes that are just out of my range, but I don't want it to sound like I'm doing anything too different.

    The motown greats (Smokey, the Temptations, all the way thru Prince) use a falsetto that's really smooth, but it's instantly recognizable as falsetto. But then there are those classic rock singers like Freddy Mercury or Brad Delp whose falsettos blend perfectly with their normal voice.

    At all costs, I want to avoid the Beegee's "Stayin Alive" sound

    I'm going to do some more research on that "head voice" thing (great site, skull), and I'll practice the crossover slowly like Hack said. Tech wise, I'm playing with singing off-axis/above the mic, and that definitely helps to cut down the airy quality. Bummer that I don't have the natural ability, but maybe with enough practice & studio magic, I can cheat the listeners
     
    I think everyone has the ability to develop this part of your voice.  It is finding the "trick" in doing it that seems so elusive sometimes.  And you have to be carefull not to harm yourself in the process.  A little bit each day is better than an hour at a time trying to push it.

    Go to Youtube and search for Brett Manning videos.  He's got interesting approach to developing the upper end of your voice.
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