Vocal mixing/EQing

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2009/10/30 17:35:32 (permalink)

Vocal mixing/EQing

 I have some vocals recorded, my voice is rather rough.   By rough I mean is... not smooth?  I guess I'd be more of a saw tooth wave form.  Are there certain frequencies I should stay away from or filter/effect I can use to smooth out the 'gruff' sound?
 
I know this is worded poorly, but its hard to explain.
 
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    bitflipper
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    Re:Vocal mixing/EQing 2009/10/30 21:11:34 (permalink)
    You have to determine where that roughness lies for your own voice. It's different for everybody. For me, it's around 4-8KHz. But that's just me, and even then it varies from one performance to the next.

    Use an equalizer in conjunction with a spectral display such as the free Voxengo SPAN plugin. Use a single bandpass filter with a narrow Q and a large boost. Sweep it up and down and find the spots where it really makes the vocal sound nasty bad. Those are the frequencies you'll want to tame.

    Also consider using a multiband compressor in place of an equalizer. This will let you limit those problem frequencies without losing all the punch and texture in the process. The Sonitus multiband works well for this purpose.


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    Re:Vocal mixing/EQing 2009/10/30 22:16:58 (permalink)
    Thanks bit...

    Sounds easy enough on paper, now lets see if I can put it into action!!
    Know of any good tutorials on multiband compressors?  :)

    Thanks again!!


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    Re:Vocal mixing/EQing 2009/10/31 11:41:06 (permalink)
    Sorry, I only know the experiment-till-it-sounds-good school of compressor theory.

    Some tips off the top of my head:

    - Hold off adding compression until tracking is complete and you have a rough mix

    - Insert volume envelopes to level out the overall volume of the track before adding any kind of compression

    - It often helps to precede the multiband with a regular broad band compressor with a gentle ratio (4:1 or less) and slow attack and slow release. Do this if your levels vary a lot.

    - The Sonitus multiband is a good one to learn with. It's fairly easy to see what's going on and the controls are sensibly laid out. There are better compressors in the world, but none of them come bundled with SONAR.

    - Use slow attack and release times and light compression ratios for low frequencies, faster attack and release times and higher compression ratios for high frequencies.

    - Across the spectrum, try to use as little of the effect as possible to get the job done. This tool can quickly turn from helper to destroyer if applied with a too-heavy hand.

    - Set your initial threshhold settings to where the compressor is just barely kicking in and adjust downward from there. You want the little bouncing ball to be mostly hovering around the lower part of the "knee".

    - Most of the time, the threshold settings of all the bands will ultimately form a line that's gently sloping downward from left to right. If you have one band whose threshold is radically higher or lower than all the others, use the Gain setting to bring it into line

    - The default "Knee" setting of 9 may be a bit severe for low frequencies. Sometimes a softer knee is better for lows. But you don't want the knees of each band to be radically different from one another. The exception is if you have to suppress piercing "S"s and "T"s, in which case a hard knee is called for.

    Have fun!


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    Re:Vocal mixing/EQing 2009/10/31 20:55:58 (permalink)
    Thanks again Bit, I still need to just get in and play with Sonitus multiband...  What you're saying make sense(In theory) , but I've never done it.

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    Re:Vocal mixing/EQing 2009/11/03 01:17:53 (permalink)
    Bit, those are excellent and motivating words for me. 

    Sabbathack:

    Voxengo voxformer ($50-$100?) may be worth it for you; for 2 years now, I still haven't reached Bit's level.

    Its 10-20 presets (yeh presets) have rarely disappointed mortals ... they contain the vox essentials:
    de-essing
    siblant control
    multiband compression
    EQ
    graph
    filters
    presence
    saturation
    alias
    etc.

    The problem for me with doing vox effects manually for each parameter, SANS presets, is ...

    I get lost in the jungle ... the mind tricks me as the ears 'get used to this and that' ... despite my huge IQ (so to speak).

    After 2 years, I thought I had the vox issue(s) mastered.  Then I heard a preset on Voxformer, Ozone4, etc. ... and I realized quickly what cr&p I've been spewing forth
    ... tweaking hundreds of parameters the wrong way.

    OTOH, Bit's advice is spot on for me (and everyone) and is my 3-5 year goal.

    Philip  
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    Re:Vocal mixing/EQing 2009/11/04 15:20:31 (permalink)
    Reading the question my first thought was: Have you found the microphone that does justice to your voice?

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