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2009/11/13 13:50:57 (permalink)

General tips

I'm still a noob and I'm constantly learning ways to make the process easier or get better results so I thought I'd ask people who are more experienced to save myself some trouble. I'm looking for the sorts of things that when you learned them you thought, "man, I wish I'd known about this before." (no matter how simple or trivial and pretty much any area--recording, mastering, fx, audio, midi, software, hardware, Sonar specific, etc.)

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    Legion
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    Re:General tips 2009/11/13 14:12:33 (permalink)
    How noob are you? If you are noob enough to not creatively use/understand compression and EQ yet that is a very big wow. But that is pretty much very noob so... Also loop recording, v-vocal (for timing edits) and starting the mixing session with a dry mix to see if it's at least OK and no sounds need to be comptely chenged can feel very good once you are comfortable with the processes. Oh, and slowing down the tempo when recordin complex/hard midi parts.

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    Re:General tips 2009/11/13 14:41:48 (permalink)
    Depending on how serious you are about your music or engineering, spend your money wisely.  Meaning, don't just buy the cheapest of whatever it is.  Do some research.  Demo when you can. 

    As the saying goes "You get what you pay for."   Save up for the gear you really want.

    We've seen so many people say "I don't like my (insert product name here) and want to buy something better, what do you suggest?".

    If this is a hobby, then just buy what you can afford now.

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    Re:General tips 2009/11/13 16:04:45 (permalink)
    Save projects you are working on often and use a sequential file naming scheme along the way.

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    Re:General tips 2009/11/13 16:35:44 (permalink)
    Crap In = Crap Out.

    Record it right because in almost all cases, it CANNOT be fixed in the mix. Get your monitoring enviroment right first.

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    Re:General tips 2009/11/13 19:37:15 (permalink)
    Man there is so much stuff to learn...... at this point all I will say, is.... it's gonna take time and work. How much and how long depends on where you are now (relatively speaking) and how much time you spend honing your craft and learning new skills. It's a different road for every single person here.

    The distance I've come in 2 years, might take another person 2 months, and a different person 10 years......

    Spend time recording and mixing.... it will come. Ask questions.... but make them specific not a wide ranging "tell me what I need to know" ...... as you come to roadblocks, take them one at a time...learn what you need from that opportunity then progress until you hit the next one....ask more questions.... record more music...get reviews from the people in the song forum..... and so it goes..... and look back at the stuff you did a year earlier.... hopefully you will see a big improvement..... then keep learning.

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    Re:General tips 2009/11/13 20:12:32 (permalink)
    Get some really good books. (I recommend the Izhaki book for mixing.) Others may chime in with their favorites as well. Experiment and ask questions here and other places that treat you with patience and civility. The challenge today is that big studios where inexperienced engineers had a chance to intern and learn the trade are rapidly disappearing, so we are left more or less on our own to rediscover hard learned lessons of the past. Keep your projects down to a small number of tracks until your on solid ground. Focus on making something simple really good to start with. More isn't necessarily better.

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    Re:General tips 2009/11/14 14:44:27 (permalink)
    I'm looking for the sorts of things that when you learned them you thought, "man, I wish I'd known about this before."

    I wish I'd known that spending more money almost never results in better recordings.


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    Re:General tips 2009/11/14 17:54:49 (permalink)
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    I'm looking for the sorts of things that when you learned them you thought, "man, I wish I'd known about this before."

    I wish I'd known that spending more money almost never results in better recordings.

    This is very true if you don't have the fundamentals down.  Things like not realizing that an untreated room is a likely culprit to why many folks get bad recordings but then are also unable to mix properly.  If you're going to spend some money/time - make sure you have a good room...minimze the reflections and try to even things out as much as possible so that you aren't constantly fighting with what you hear in your room thinking you have a solid mix...then you put your CD/MP3 into a car stereo and it sounds horrible.
     
    Once you have that down and are getting quality recordings then spending money is not a bad thing at all - just make sure you spend it in the right places. 

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    Re:General tips 2009/11/15 03:57:57 (permalink)
    Hearing what you mix
    The importance of good monitoring, screw buying new vst-instruments and effects if you can't hear them correctly anyway. I think it's much easier making good sounding tunes with freeware and good monitoring than with expensive synths and crappy speakers.
        Also, if you can't afford acoustic treatment put some duvets or foam matresses on the walls to minimize reflections. Also don't move everything out of the studio, bookshelfs can act like pretty good diffusers.
        Another important thing is reference material in your mixing enviroment. No matter how much you know exactly how a song sound you don't know how it would sound in your studio if you haven't listened to it there. Get to know how different mixes translate to the enviroment where you are working and getting the sound you are after will be much easier.

    Knowing what you use

    It's easy to want everything you read about in magazines if you can afford it and it's easy to download every free synth out there to ad to your collection. It's harder but much more rewarding to stick to a few and actually learn how they work, once you feel you master what you use (or really need a different sound) that's when you expand your collection of tools. Instead of filling your hard drive with everything you can get your hands on (I've made that misstake) think but what you actually will be using and need for your music and get that. Now, I'm not trying to tell you to be minimalistic. Not at all. I'm just saying that most people don't need ten different linear phase EQ:s that theoretically should sound exactly the same or 35 different synths where you only use the presets when you could evolve mush more as a musician/producer if you took your time investigating and learning about your two or three favourites.

    The horrors and joys of presets

    OK, presets for EQ and compression when mixing is a trap. The EQ curve somebody liked on their vintage Levin acoustc may not at all fit your processed VOX-amped Les Paul even if the preset says 'Guitar Precense' and the 'Kick Drum Thump' on your compressor might actually get your perfectly fat kick from your favourite library to sound like a wimpy 'click'. On the other hand presets can be a great starting point when learning. Wanna learn how to compress a kick, bring up that preset and tweak it to see what it does. Often with compression the first thing to change in a preset can be the threshold becuse it's not very likely that your material has the exact same peak value so look at the GR meter and see what it does, if it says -18 it's probably way wrong and if it don't move well then the preset aint doing nothing.
       With synths go through your favourite presets and look att the knobs, listen what happens when you tweak or change settings, compare the settings from different sounds to each other. It's a very fun and rewarding way to evolve.
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    Re:General tips 2009/11/15 16:29:27 (permalink)
    Hi Shawn, I am not an expert and am still learning. At this point I only do audio recording no midi yet, hope to still in the future. I have recorded lots of songs, though.
    On recording, get a great mic and record at strong levels without clipping. Timing is everything in recording so if the timing is off, re-record (is this a word?!). Make sure your individual tracks are clean sounding with no extra noise by clipping out the dead space. Always be ready to keep the first take you record on a lead, there is something magical about a first take that you sometimes can't get back no matter how many times you try to record it again. I've lost a couple of beautiful leads because I wasn't ready or set up for the first take on a lead.
     
    On mixing, listen to your songs in different stereos, monitors, boom box, cars, etc. Play around with settings on eq and reverb. I am still learning eq and reverb but just use your ears to decide what is best. Sometimes I do things that I shouldn't but if it works who cares?
    Also, make sure everyone is in the mix, no one is leaving behind. I try to mix giving everyone space to shine. You know the old adage "Everyone is fighting to be heard in the monitor on stage" Use different ways to create space; 1. panning gives space left to right, not everyone should be dead center, I save that for my lead and bass. 2. equalizing creates space from top to bottom 3. reverb can create space from front to back. 4. Volume brings tracks in or out.
     
    On mastering, I know nothing except try to put boost with adjustments to make it louder. I will have my final product professionally mastered at this point.
    Recording is so fun and satisfying when you have talented and professional people like I have to record and work with. Talent surely makes your final product better than it might be otherwise.
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    Re:General tips 2009/11/16 09:54:37 (permalink)
    Learning the ropes by trial & error is half the fun! But I will say I wish I'd known what a big difference a good mic/preamp/compressor can make.

    Most mistakes you can fix or fudge in the mix, but if your vocal track was recorded on a cheap mic, it's as good as toxic sludge and you might as well flush the song. So my advice is, before you invest $$ and time on anything else, find a good mic for your voice. Then work down the chain from there (next find a good preamp, then a compressor, then fx/mixing techniques for vocals). The most important part of today's music is the vocals, so try to get that right in the beginning.

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    Re:General tips 2009/11/16 11:32:59 (permalink)
    Record it right because in almost all cases, it CANNOT be fixed in the mix. Get your monitoring enviroment right first.

     
    Excellent advice!
    Get the sound as close to perfect as possible... at the source
    Much easier to mix, sounds infinitely better, and consumes less DAW resources...
     
    A great tune trumps everything (gear... and even the mix)
     
    When buying gear (software or hardware), go for quality over quantity.
    ie: You don't need dozens of plugins to mix a tune.
    You can create a very good mix using the Waves SSL bundle and some delay/ambience (reverb)
    Same with other quality plugin bundles (UAD, etc)...
     
    Learn what you need... as you need it:
    Playing, arranging, recording, mixing...
    That's a *lot* of different skills to aquire/master... and it won't happen over-night.
    Don't be shocked if your early efforts don't sound as good as commercial releases.
    Accept that it's a journey... not a quick destination... and have the patience to allow yourself to learn/grow.
    It's OK to make mistakes along the way...
     
    Listen and learn from the "classics"
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    Re:General tips 2009/11/16 12:26:52 (permalink)
    1. tune up.
    2. check tuning again, before hitting the red button.
    3. practice your parts BEFORE you record.
    4. play with feeling, or wait til you can.
    5. everything else, is secondary.


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    Re:General tips 2009/11/16 14:06:52 (permalink)
    I would call it "things I wish I'd known"

       People
           I was on my own learning this stuff.
       Compare
           good,bad or great can be any of the three when
           asked "compared to what?"
       Reverb
           I over used it.
       Tone quality
           Is a necessity not a luxury.
       How to
           pick an area of study and work on it.

       Many years ago I think I just did it. wrote it,
    played it, mixed it or whatever but never really
    gave much thought to the end result as to the
    engineering aspects of it.

      Being a good mix engineer requires knowledge
     in the hardware and (now) software aspects.
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    Re:General tips 2009/11/16 22:10:47 (permalink)
    Best advice I can think of is to keep on doing what you've already done... and that is, when you have a question, THIS is the place to find your answer.  There are some amazing folks here, many of whom have already given you some pearls.

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    Re:General tips 2009/11/18 11:32:51 (permalink)
    +1 to all

    My 2 cents:

    Improve your favorite instrument: e.g., singing (Mark Baxter books, vocal coaching, choir, gigs, kids, friends etc.) ... and record many many takes and/or simple songs.  Keep your best samples.  Do public singing regularly and faithfully (for the rest of your life).

    Everything else will fall into place (recording, lyrics, sound samples, instruments, rhythm, vibe, groove, mixing, etc.)

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    Re:General tips 2009/11/21 03:58:22 (permalink)
    man i don't remember that far back.  all i can say is...  monitors monitors monitors.    make sure you can hear what the problem is before trying to fix anything.  learning how to use the daw... that's just research but none of us can tell you what is good or bad.  that's what those floppy things on the side of your noggin are for. listen to every peace of music you can get your hands on(with good quality phones and train yourself to isolate all the different instruments separately.  once you do that then start listening for the fxs such as compression, gating, eq's(yes they are fx) verbs and stuff like that... then try to observe what the enineers and producers were trying to accomplish with their mixes.  pretty soon you'll be listening to mixes rather than music.  with a good set of reference monitors you'll be able to start emulating what you heard in the phones and by playing with compression and other goodies you'll start to understand the sudletees of your mix and how it all flows.  that why reference monitors should be your number one concern when starting a studio... of any kind.  they will point the way to all your shortcomings...and you wont throw your money away buying stuff you don't need just cause it's what every one else is using you'll buy stuff that you know will help you.  you will know when you've exhausted all your current resources and need to step up.... your ears wont ever lie if you train them well.  this will also help with your quest to know about your daw.  your trying to know how the story ends without reading it.  learn the craft first... then the apropriate questunes will be asked.  if you find yourself wishing there was a better way to do this or that(something that's repetetivre like muting all channels or bouncing tracks)  then you'll ask the right series of questunes.  but if you don't know how it should be then you are not at that stage and there is no point in asking the questune.

     even it it aint what you want to hear.
    post edited by smoochy - 2009/11/21 04:08:03
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    Re:General tips 2009/11/21 04:13:14 (permalink)
    try saying that to a lead singer when he asks why his voice sounds that way....  but i whole heatedly agree with you...  fecal in fecal out!
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