getting midi together after recording without metronome

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January 23, 10 10:32 AM (permalink)

getting midi together after recording without metronome

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When I'm inspired with new music ideas, I often do a very quick sloppy recording from my midi keyboard just so I don't forget the ideas.  I turn the metronome off and don't pay any attention to tempo, which I realize is not so smart, but that's the way I work sometimes.   In the future I'm going to make an effort to at least rerecord right away in the correct tempo.  But for now I have tons of these sloppy midi tracks.  Can anybody give me some ideas as to how I can most efficiently get them into the correct tempo so I can see them in some semblance of order in the staff view?   In the past I have mostly composed with pencil and staff paper, and only use Sonar 8 to record.  But I'm trying to use Sonar to be more productive and in this case transcribing everything onto paper again just so I can develop them and eventually record back into Sonar is absurdly unproductive.   
 
Thanks in advance for your help in turning my foolish methods into something a little more 21st century. 
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    CJaysMusic
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    Re:getting midi together after recording without metronome January 23, 10 10:42 AM (permalink)
    But for now I have tons of these sloppy midi tracks. Can anybody give me some ideas as to how I can most efficiently get them into the correct tempo

    Quantize them. Look it up in the manual or help file for further instruction, cause there is allot to consider when you quantize midi
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    Re:getting midi together after recording without metronome January 23, 10 12:07 AM (permalink)
    I do the same thing when I get an idea - that is shut off the metronome and put down the basic idea so it is not lost. 

    Depending on the complexity - or lack of complexity of the original idea - quantizing - as CJ suggests - can work well.   However, if the idea is good enough to motivate you into making it into a full fledged song, you're probably better off starting from scratch.  That is figuring out the timing (BPM) and redoing the midi part.

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    Re:getting midi together after recording without metronome January 23, 10 8:17 PM (permalink)
    First option: after you get the idea down.... then open a new project and do it right.


    second option: quantize it if it's relatively close.

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    Re:getting midi together after recording without metronome January 25, 10 12:36 AM (permalink)
    I work this way all the time, and obviously, quantizing is of no use if you don't record to a click.

    The two options are:

    1. Use Set Measure/Beat At Now (Ctrl-M) to align the time ruler to the MIDI (see the Reference Guide).

    2. Rehearse the part and re-record to a click.

    I choose option 2 95% of the time. If you have the performance chops, it will almost always give better results, and it may be faster as well, depending on how sloppy the original is. In either case, I always quantize a clone for notation purposes, so that I don't ruin the natural feel of the original.

    If the piece doesn't need to be notated, a 3rd option is just to leave it loose, and tighten things up as necessary by manually sliding notes and phrases around. I did that on this improvised piece:

    http://soundclick.com/share?songid=8172261


    I had to go back later and learn how to play it this way.

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    Re:getting midi together after recording without metronome January 30, 10 2:45 PM (permalink)
    Thanks for the tips everyone, especially brundlefly.  I hadn't run across the "set measure/beat" tool before.  That will definitely come in handy. But it looks like most of the time I'll just keep on relearning the part and rerecording to the metronome as  you all suggest.
     
    Thanks again for the help. 
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    Re:getting midi together after recording without metronome January 31, 10 0:19 PM (permalink)
    "  Thanks in advance for your help in turning my foolish methods into something a little more 21st century.  "

    I work this way 95% of the time. My method is to forget the clock entirely and just record. Then come back and edit what ever my base track is and use it  for monitoring while adding tracks. The tempo changes are completely dynamic when playing something freeform....but that's what yields the most realistic recordings. The difficulty is that written music and played music are not the same thing. Written music will only archive the notes played and reference basic tempo and key signatures. IMHO

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    Re:getting midi together after recording without metronome January 31, 10 7:37 PM (permalink)
    Here's something important to remember...... as told to me by a songwriter with some bilboard #1 hits to his name....

    Your first draft might seem like sheer brilliance at the time, and nothing can be done to improve it... but nothing is further from the truth..... the first draft is just that...a first draft.

    Don't be afraid to (rewrite it several times if necessary and then) record it again, and this time, use a midi click track or a midi drummer to set the pace. If you can't recapture the feeling.... the truth is, there probably was no feeling there to start with.....
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