Wisdom and age

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2010/01/19 19:02:24 (permalink)

Wisdom and age


    Here are my thoughts.

  In general wisdom does come with age. However
it doesn't mean that it does. Wisdom is the
application of knowledge, and knowledge is the
accumulation of facts and information. Then there
is intelligence which is sometimes referred to as
"creativity".

  Then there is the "desire" factor. Does one
desire to learn? I "desired" to touch the burner
on the stove when I was a kid and I learned
something, but I prefer to "learn" in a less
painful fashion.

  Does that mean that when I was a kid that
I was already "wise"? (at least about stoves)

 
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    Re:Wisdom and age 2010/01/19 19:28:20 (permalink)
    Wisdom should logically come as a natural consequence of experience.

    Unfortunately it is not entirely cumulative, due to leakage.

    Some of life's lessons seem to have a finite shelf life, after which time they must be learned all over again.


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    Re:Wisdom and age 2010/01/19 19:30:45 (permalink)
    Hi,

    Wisdom has nothing to do with age ... and all too often we tend to think that youth has no talent or wisdom, but Penthouse Letters will tell you that youth vigor is worth all the rage!

    Wisdom is AGES old ... and it's always been there ... so to speak, and it's a matter of anyone having the sense or the ability to help their own kin/children to learn to think for themselves and then be able to disseminate thought into something strong that can develop ... into choices/abilities that we might call wisdom ... but that is not likely to happen when almost all the education out there is ... "The City of Lost Children" ... (the movie!) ... where the idea is to make everyone the same as everyone else ... and if you are different you are the Ugly Duckling and you are not cool ... you better make it in rock'n'roll so you can flick all those people off!

    I have met many kids that are smarter than their parents ... unffortunately they are enslaved into being submissive and controlled and indoctrinated into a belief system ... and in this a parent might not agree with me ... I happen to trust the feel and wisdom in youth ... many olderly folks don't, and think the kids can't go out and learn about sex ... the same way we did, because we are too dang stuck up to be honest and direct with our own kids sometimes ...

    In the end, the only secret to it all is not "age" ... or "wisdom" ... it's how honest and direct and willing you are ... and your child, or youngsters will communicate with you and learn faster and do a lot more ...

    Ideas ... sometimes, they are the greatest evil ... because all else is wrong!

    As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys! 
      
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    Re:Wisdom and age 2010/01/19 19:35:53 (permalink)
    In general wisdom does come with age. However it doesn't mean that it does.



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    Re:Wisdom and age 2010/01/19 19:39:22 (permalink)
    I was going to write something , but Bit already wrote it..

    there is a saying.. "there is no fool like an old fool" ... do I really think the majority of all these attractive women are with REALLY old guys (2+ times their age) solely because of their personality and not the $$$$ they have...hehe

    hhmm... and Bit , buy a spare USB cable for ya camera and leave it in ya luggage.hehe


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    Re:Wisdom and age 2010/01/19 20:04:02 (permalink)
    Moshkiae

    "The City of Lost Children" ... (the movie!)
    Hey did someone mention THE GREATEST MOVIE OF ALL TIME!?!?
    I happen to trust the feel and wisdom in youth ... In the end, the only secret to it all is not "age" ... or "wisdom" ... it's how honest and direct and willing you are

    That's been my philosophy for a while. I'm always learning new perspectives from kids while I find that grownups usually aren't as honest (with themselves). As we get older, I guess we pick up too many hangups, and this keeps us from thinking clearly or being honest with ourselves. But a young child doesn't have any baggage, so you'll always get an objective response.

    I'd say the most important bits of wisdom I've picked up have come from children & dogs. In both cases you're guaranteed to get a straight answer every time

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    Re:Wisdom and age 2010/01/19 20:04:10 (permalink)
    wisdom and age don't necessarilly go together... witness>>>> politicians

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    Re:Wisdom and age 2010/01/19 20:21:52 (permalink)
    Some of life's lessons seem to have a finite shelf life, after which time they must be learned all over again.

     
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    Re:Wisdom and age 2010/01/19 20:46:18 (permalink)
    Wisdom is the application of knowledge

     
    I have to disagree with your definition of wisdom.
    At the risk of touching on the religious, my guess/understanding is that wisdom is the full recognition of self-delusion. It is not in my experience either harmed or benefitted by knowledge, and hence experience. What often looks like wisdom in the aged is resignation in the face of a lifetime of failed hope (delusion). On the other hand, I may be confusing wisdom with prajna. If so, I will continue to esteem prajna and let other disappointed old farts comfort themselves that they are getting wiser.
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    Re:Wisdom and age 2010/01/19 20:53:04 (permalink)
    Space Duck "The City of Lost Children" ... (the movie!) Hey did someone mention THE GREATEST MOVIE OF ALL TIME!?!?

     
    I couldn't help it ... it was a film about "stealing the dreams of the child" ... and we live in that age right now ...
     
    It's just scary ... some folks are having kids because they are careless ... not because the child means anything ... and that is a scary proposition ... the chance for a life on that kid ... are not very good! ... and I like the other excuse ... having another child and hope to save this marriage! ... it's just a sign that we have lost the ability to talk to the father inside ... after a few thousand years, many books ... we still have no idea what he was talking about or what his mentor 2 thousand years before was talking about ... we know the book ... but the book is not us ... !
     
    As MA would say in the POGO cartoon .... we's met the en'my ... it's US! ...

    As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys! 
      
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    Re:Wisdom and age 2010/01/20 00:02:34 (permalink)
    As Brian O'Driscoll said...

    "Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit....wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad"

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    Re:Wisdom and age 2010/01/20 10:27:22 (permalink)
    rob.pulman


    As Brian O'Driscoll said...

    "Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit....wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad"


    Awesome

    Moshkiae



    Space Duck "The City of Lost Children" ... (the movie!) Hey did someone mention THE GREATEST MOVIE OF ALL TIME!?!?

     
    I couldn't help it ... it was a film about "stealing the dreams of the child" ... and we live in that age right now ...

    It's just scary ... some folks are having kids because they are careless ... not because the child means anything ...
    Which leads to the 2nd theme of the film: the recklessness of the inventor who created all the experimental "monsters" without realizing the handicaps, deficiencies & deformities he was inflicting upon them (or the notion that it would come back to him in the end).

    But yeah, stealing the dreams of the child... replacing it with fear... that's how we lose sight of both innocence & wisdom. Time to pull out the DVD and watch that flick again

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    Re:Wisdom and age 2010/01/20 10:35:21 (permalink)
    Someone once said, "Life is a hard teacher...the experience comes first, and the lesson afterward."

    Wisdom is gained not by progressive successes, but rather, making a series of mistakes which could be viewed as the process of 'learning how not to do something'. 

    Touch the burner? I first went to lick it...makes me Mensa level now, pretty much.

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    Re:Wisdom and age 2010/01/20 11:07:37 (permalink)
    Wisdom = Good Judgement
    Good Judgement = Experience
    Experience = Bad Judgement




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    Re:Wisdom and age 2010/01/20 11:18:06 (permalink)
    Why do we never get an answer
    When we're knocking at the door?
    With a thousand million questions
    About hate and death and war.- The Moody Blues

    Jimmy I don't think we've really found wisdom yet.
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    Re:Wisdom and age 2010/01/20 11:52:17 (permalink)
    Wisdom is measured in the past, not the present.
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    Re:Wisdom and age 2010/01/20 11:58:01 (permalink)
    Information is not knowledge.
    Knowledge is not wisdom.
    Wisdom is not truth.
    Truth is not love.
    Love is not music.
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    Re:Wisdom and age 2010/01/20 17:01:13 (permalink)
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    Wisdom is measured in the past, not the present.

    YES!
     
     
    I was posting something similar on another thread ... but the guy thinks that everything I say is left handed and comes with poop ... in other words, all wisdom also comes shrink wrapped in plastic and has lillies and some smelly flavor to entice you to it!
     
    That's the difference ... between someone who "knows" ... and the rest! Because that person can separate the advertising from the rest ... and that person is too tied up on his sales ... and I guess he thinks I am bursting his bubble!
     
    And that is one of the biggest problems ... we only "know" wisdom when someone has told us about it ... ie, from the Bible to anyone here ... but you show me how many people can find the pearls in all the rest ... not many ... sadly enough not many ... as most people are really afraid to find out ... I was wrong ... or I wasn't good ... or this could have been done better ... but instead ... some of them will get upset and think you're a turkey or a jerk ... not the person you really are ...
     
    So, yeah ... it's easy to see how some folks will never find wisdom in Mosh ... ! that's ok ... one can choose there own excrement by what they eat and the same goes for what one thinks!

    As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys! 
      
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    Re:Wisdom and age 2010/01/20 17:18:32 (permalink)
    yet but at what point do our heads explode.  follow me.  i only know what i learned over the years... which is half as much as the next generation is expected to know... and so on.  so if the only way to be smarter than the generation before us is to know everything they do plus all the things we need to know for our generation.  then the only way to know more than our kids is to know everything our elders knew plus all the things we need to know plus all the things our kids know....how much can our tiny pee brains hold.  obviously that is impossible to retain all that crap so then it becomes a choice of which knowledge is useless and can be discarded. to make room for new crap.  the wise person is the one that realizes that it's all crap... which is the same attitude as our kids...  wait a minute... the kids really are smarter then us... dammm....

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    Re:Wisdom and age 2010/01/20 18:41:19 (permalink)

    yet but at what point do our heads explode. follow me. i only know what i learned over the years... which is half as much as the next generation is expected to know... and so on.

     
    I have a suggestion on this ... but there are some folks here that won't like it.
     
    There is a difference between "knowing" and "knowing-ness" ... and the reality is ... that all you need to know is usually right there in front of you ... if you (or I) are capable of seeing it ... but in the age of advertising this is really hard ... you don't know anything else, and when someone like me says this ... there are people that feel stupid and are not willing/capable of trying to see past the letters to get to the information behind them ... and NO ... I am not hiding ... this is what I know.
     
    How you can learn this is what a lot of the "mystic's" are all about ... and some of them are just good talkers and I don't feel they are saying much ... or as I joke ... way too new age'y cage'y for me ... stuck in a box ... nothing new in those words, because that person does not know it ... they can only quote something ... see the difference, already? ... why would someone who knows ... have to quote a book? (... specially when HE (or she) is the book!...)
     
    In the end, on an over-populated world ... (this last line is definitly my opinion!) ... this is hard ... super hard ... who you gonna believe?
     
    I know only what I see ... and what I see has a color with it ... that color is either lucid or "steel'y" ... and most lucid colors I pick up are clean and ok ... the others are not ... and more often than not have a stentch that comes with it -- and I don't mean that in a bad way ... sometimes it's all a person knows ...
     
    And this is what is hard sometimes ... how can you see one from the other ... I say you have to learn to get past the advertising ... or do something similar to what I did ... I learned about auras and colors by watching tv with my eyes closed ... I put my bandana over my eyes ... and I started watching things "blindfolded" ... and then I saw that guy in "Shogun" hit the bull's eye ... and lucky enough that a psychic friend of mine ... kinda explained that ... how he could see that through a closed door and drape and all that ... at that point ... it's called "trust" ... and "knowing" ... and you "know" what you are seeing ... and you aim for it ...
     
    It's the same thing with people ... with the exception that some folks are here because they want to sell, some are here for the fun of it, some are here for their DAW ego, some are here to enjoy folks like you and I, some are here because the friendships mean a lot something to them ... some are here because it challenges their daily quota or weirdness ... some are here because ...
     
    People are not invisible ... adn some think that no one can see them ... and then tehre are those that walk in ... with poetry and music in their mouth ... and nekkid ... and someone always says ... what the heck ... and it's not even about the work! ... or the word! ... (... and that should tell you a lot! ... )
     
    As I say ... you decide!
    post edited by Moshkiae - 2010/01/20 20:16:09

    As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys! 
      
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    Re:Wisdom and age 2010/01/21 18:08:12 (permalink)
    i think wisdom is all about choices... which also has a lot to do with luck.  making the right choice can just as easily yield bad result as making the wrong choice can bring about good results.  knowing when to abandon ideals is just as important as recognizing a good one.  but there is one choice we should all be making regardless of the outcome.   given the choice, i would rather be strapped to the front of the train then sitting in 1st class.. or even driving it.  only that way can you truly see what's ahead of you and experience life first hand.

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