Kerryn
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Freezing the volume in tracks MC5
Hi,
I have MC5 and once I have adjusted the volume levels within the tracks (some parts of the track I set as louder or softer than other parts), I can't figure out how to freeze the volume line so all sections within the track move together as set when I adjust the overall track volume.
Help please!
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Beagle
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Re:Freezing the volume in tracks MC5
2010/01/24 09:08:39
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Kerryn, I"m not following your question. are you using track automation? if so, you can't adust the entire volume envelope all at the same time, you have to make adjustments to each section independently. well, actually you CAN make adjustments to the entire envelope at the same time, but you have to highlight all of the sections first, then grab it and move it up or down.
if that's not what you're asking then you'll need to be more specific on what you're trying to do.
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57Gregy
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Re:Freezing the volume in tracks MC5
2010/01/24 11:12:40
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I think the easiest way, if I'm understanding your problem, is to send that track to a bus and use the bus's volume slider to adjust that track's loudness. If you have a volume envelope in the track, you can't really adjust it on the fly; the volume will always revert to what is set in the envelope if you move the track's volume slider.
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Re:Freezing the volume in tracks MC5
2010/01/24 13:45:45
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I adjust the volume on the fly...as it's playing back..... not difficult to do actually. You gotta be fast at times to do it. If the track gets highlighted by a click...the entire envelope will move ......unless you want to do that...try this. Just click into any other track.... then carefully right click on the volume envelope. Select "add Node" ... I'll add 2 nodes close together before a section...then 2 more after the section...... then I grab the line between the inner 2 and the entire line moves...while everything outside the nodes remains constant. Adding nodes during playback is tricky... but afterwards.... making the fine adjustments is easy by grabbing that line and moving it. Maybe that helps...maybe not.
post edited by Guitarhacker - 2010/01/24 13:47:12
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Re:Freezing the volume in tracks MC5
2010/01/25 12:33:05
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Are you using premade Midi files? If so they might have Volume commands in them and you need to remove those to set the volumes to taste. Open up the event list and look for volume commands and delete them.
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Re:Freezing the volume in tracks MC5
2010/01/26 13:36:49
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Good point Robo. Midi's can have a mind and volume command of their own. I know it took me a while to start using busses, but it does sound like the operator would like to balance (set each tracks volume) and then route them all to a single bus which has one master volume which can be adjusted on the fly ( Automation ).
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Kerryn
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Re:Freezing the volume in tracks MC5
2010/01/26 20:54:31
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Thanks heaps for your replies. I am going to try some of the suggestions to see if I can sort it.
To clarify my problem I'll try to break it down a little more. Let's say we're talking about a lead guitar track that I have imported from an 8 track to a blank audio track in MC5. The draft recording on the 8 track will have lead playing the whole was through, but when I mix/produce it down, I will want some parts of the lead track to remain as they are, and other parts of the track to be louder or softer than other parts.
I use the nodes in the volume envelope to achieve these variations and the overall track sounds great. The probelm comes when I play back the other tracks as well but the overall adjusted volume of the lead guitar track needs to be increased to be balanced within the song.
When I click on the volume envelope within the lead guitar track, only the section I have grabbed increases, but in fact I want the entire volume line to increase while the volume adjustments within the track remain as I previously adjusted them in relation to other parts of the track.
OK that was a fair mouthful with a lot of repitition, but hopefully it gives a bit more clarity about what I am trying to achieve.
Thanks again,
Kerryn
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Re:Freezing the volume in tracks MC5
2010/01/26 21:41:58
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When I click on the volume envelope within the lead guitar track, only the section I have grabbed increases, but in fact I want the entire volume line to increase while the volume adjustments within the track remain as I previously adjusted them in relation to other parts of the track. the only way to increase the entire volume envelope is to click on each section as you hold the control key down on the keyboard so that you highlight the entire envelope. another way to do this, however is to use the GAIN (TRIM), it's independent from the volume and you can increase or decrease the gain of the overall track.
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57Gregy
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Re:Freezing the volume in tracks MC5
2010/01/26 21:56:45
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Or, send the output of that guitar track to a bus, where you can adjust the track's overall volume relative to the other tracks.
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Kerryn
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Re:Freezing the volume in tracks MC5
2010/01/27 23:19:47
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Great guys. I will try these suggestions. Have never tried sending a track output to a bus, but will play around with it before I ask for more help. Appreciate your feedback very much!
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Re:Freezing the volume in tracks MC5
2010/01/28 04:35:19
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This is one thing I'd like to see on the Sonar/MC mix engine. The (SSL) desks I used to work on had two modes for the faders in mix mode - Absolute and Trim. You'd get the balance correct in Absolute and then write your general fader movements - pretty much what you have in MC now. But the Trim mode then allowed you to make adjustments on that track relative to what you'd already done.
So if you'd spent hours riding the fader and then wanted to increase the overal volume by a db for example, or make relative adjustments to a particular section the Trim would allow you to do this.
Busses are probably the best way to go, but if you're just dealing with a single track it seems a bit of a waste of a buss. Or as Beagle says use the volume trim on the track itself.
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Kerryn
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Re:Freezing the volume in tracks MC5
2010/01/28 07:24:50
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OK I'm onto it! Beagle I had a play with both control on each section, and the trim function, and I have achieved what I was aiming for. Thank you so much.
Gregy, I am very interested in understanding the whole bus thing. I tried working it out but I just can't figure it. I don't really need to know how now that I have the other option, but if you care to share some info I value your thoughts. Besides if I learn something else, no doubt it will come in handy in the future.
Thanks guys.
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Re:Freezing the volume in tracks MC5
2010/01/28 08:02:44
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