HELP! Mixer, Monitors, input limitations!

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January 27, 10 11:03 PM (permalink)

HELP! Mixer, Monitors, input limitations!

Hello, all you cakewalk experts!
 
  I was wondering, actually more like puzzling my  thin mind, about mixing, or the "output sound"...lack of better terminology.  Here's my quandry:
I have a fourpiece band, we like to record "live".  I know in MC4 you can only record 2 channels simultaneously.  We have the electronic drum kit going in midi,(thanx for the  remedy from yous' guys' on the last post of mine!) and that leaves a channel for the guitar, bass, or vocals.  All well and good.  I want to know how we can play "live" and record just one instrument into MC4, but still hear the whole band through the monitors?  We have no problem playing the song we are recording over and over so each member can lay down their part, but the log-jam is a problem.  I have an M Audio 2496 sound card.  Don't know if that has anything to do with anything...  My knowledge for mixers is as vast as the knowledge I hold of the flight patterns of male blue herons between 4-8 years in age, and have an unbalanced wing span.  Squat on both topics.  I was thinking a mixer could solve our problem.  we could all patch out from our amps into the mixer, from there into the reciever and on to the monitors for our hearing pleasure.  Like a P.A. so to speak.  Now.  Are there mixers where we can then send the signal for just one  instrument from the mixer to the sound card for recording, and out the same monitors?  Is this what a bus is?  Am I making any sense?  Is this possible?  Or is there an easy answer I am complety missing by overthinking as usual? 
Tell me what you guys do in your studios....Oh by the way, I'm poor and would like cheap fixes! 
Thanx in advance, because you do me no wrong, ever...
 
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    57Gregy
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    Re:HELP! Mixer, Monitors, input limitations! January 27, 10 11:59 PM (permalink)
    I suppose with the gear you have now you could just mic the 1 instrument you want to record and plug that mic into the 24/96. Or if the amp has a line out or headphone out, plug that into the interface to eliminate bleed from the other instruments. Do that for each instrument until you have fairly isolated instruments on different tracks. Of course that would mean playing the song over and over and over again, but you probably do that anyway.
    But yes, there are mixers that will accept all the inputs and allow you to route selected inputs to different outputs while monitoring the entire mix.
    Do all your amps have line out?
    Or an external speaker output? I'm not suggesting that you plug a speaker out into the sound card! Don't do that!
    But you could put an external speaker in an isolation booth (closet ) so a mic in there with it won't pick up all the other instruments.

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    Re:HELP! Mixer, Monitors, input limitations! January 28, 10 0:05 PM (permalink)
    Thanx...
    Are these mixers inexpensive?  What is the "Jargon" for these boards?  4 in 4 out?  something like that?  All our amps have line outs' so the mixer wold be cool for us.  I think uncle Google would be willing to help me find said mixers if I knew how to phrase them....
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    Re:HELP! Mixer, Monitors, input limitations! January 28, 10 7:32 AM (permalink)
    If you're looking for a "raw" live sound.... I would take a mixer with enough channels to handle all the instruments and vocals.... put it into one channel and the drums into the other.

    A better sound will be achieved if you guys multi-track it...one track at a time.  You can easily lay down a perfect drum track (with the whole band playing live) since it's midi...with NO  instrument bleed. Then... add the instruments one at a time... no bleed, and time to do punches to fix the rough spots.

     just how I would do it.....

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    Re:HELP! Mixer, Monitors, input limitations! January 28, 10 10:58 AM (permalink)
    I'm wondering if the input limit applies to audio only, or all inputs, including MIDI?
    Maybe you can try it, jd or Guitarhacker. I can't because all my working programs already allow more than 2 inputs.
    Record your MIDI drums and 2 audio tracks at once, see if that works.

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    Re:HELP! Mixer, Monitors, input limitations! January 28, 10 3:51 PM (permalink)
    Get a decent mixer like this http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-Xenyx-1202FX-Mixer?sku=631267  and then you have the ability to input all four instruments, and four vocals. I would record to a simple drum tr4ack or click track. Then overdub the full drum track afterwards.

    This will work for the time being. Later upgrade to SHS, and a m-audio 1010 card.

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    Re:HELP! Mixer, Monitors, input limitations! January 28, 10 6:41 PM (permalink)
    I think it refers to 2 tracks regardless of input type..... you can only have one midi track....well depending on the interface.... but yeah 2 tracks total input at a time..... next time on...I'll check it out but I'm 99% sure it's 2 tracks max at a time.

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    Re:HELP! Mixer, Monitors, input limitations! January 28, 10 9:07 PM (permalink)
    I was overthunking, as usual....
    Here's what I'll try:
    Drums into midi on sound card and into MC4
    Guitar/bass/vocals(whatever we want to record at the moment) into sound card and into MC4
    Audio out from sound card into board, then onto the monitors from there.
    the rest of the instruments/vocals line out from their amps and direct into the board and also out to the monitors...
    simple enough to work?
    Maybe someone suggested this ^up there, but I had to think it out in my own shrunken head way...
    thanx all...
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    Re:HELP! Mixer, Monitors, input limitations! January 28, 10 9:55 PM (permalink)
    That looks like a workable solution.

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