Philip
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MIDI Beats ... Your Take
Many of us use MIDI groove loops from powerful MIDI Drum Machines ... like Beatscape, EWQL Storm-drums, EasyPlayer/Superior Drummer, Session Drummer, and hundreds of other 'groove makers'. Rhythm alone seems extremely commanding and earthy ... vs. (if you will) watery or wordy. Some of us would suppose there must be a balance between fire, earth, water, and air ... the oriental elements of personality and/or music. I feel that Africans have oft been very earth bending with their music ... many are the great masters and lovers of rhythm. But they sometimes neglect the sensitive melodic phrases that an emo-watery personality (like me) would crave. Furthermore, here's more of my take on MIDI beats. Hypothetical Advantages: 1) They incite instant creativity for many artists 2) They invoke 'command' attention by the listener. 3) They cause dancing in children 4) They seem to make for exceedingly fast groundwork and even solid bass-lines. 5) They help weaker rhythm artists 'get in the groove'. Hypothetical Disadvantages: 1) They oft sound synthy and artificial 2) They lack the artist's heart and personal creativity 3) They may clash with the sensitive melodies. 4) Elderly and country folk may be 'vexed' by strong earthy rhythms. Please share a bit of your own take on MIDI beats (for us to ponder).
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mgh
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Re:MIDI Beats ... Your Take
2010/03/13 12:52:00
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so elderly country folks with weak hearts should avoid those midi drum loops, eh? lol. i find the process of building drums both boring but challenging, i use the step sequencer 2 with session drummer or steven slate drums or drum masters in kontakt, and write in the beats by hand, it's good to come up with things which are realistic but complex and not too repetitive. don't like it when people just use one or 2 loops for the whole song. not sure my beats move earth, wind or fire tho...
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Chinchen
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Re:MIDI Beats ... Your Take
2010/03/13 14:24:21
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Im not really into synth drums when it comes to TRYING to make them sound like a human drummer. But if they are used in more of a loop based groundwork way, I dig them. It also depends on the song. But they sure can work with the emo vibe, just look at Death cab, postal service, owl city et al.
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guitartrek
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Re:MIDI Beats ... Your Take
2010/03/13 18:42:14
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I've used pre-made midi grooves only once or twice. besides those exceptions, I always create my own beats by hand. If have nothing against them, and if I were making more loop based music I'd probably use them a lot more. I'm currently writing and creating music in a "rock band" format. In a typical rock band there would be a drummer making up the beats by hand. This is what I'm emulating at the moment.
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Slugbaby
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Re:MIDI Beats ... Your Take
2010/03/14 12:17:04
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I've never used pre-made grooves. To me, writing my own music includes writing my own drum parts. It takes a little longer than drag/dropping from a library, but I think it's worth it. Technique is important if you're trying to mimick a real drummer, but that also means you get to learn more about the instrument (eg. you might need to leave a 1/16th rest between that right-side crash and the high hats, as the drummer would need time to move his arm across the kit). Given the time people spend on creating quality recordings, spending an hour or two building the perfect drum track seems trivial... Just like I'd be upset if someone heard one of my tracks and said "hey, that's the verse from Song XX," i wouldn't want to hear "great song, but why did you use the drum line from Walk This Way?"
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Philip
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Re:MIDI Beats ... Your Take
2010/03/14 17:55:32
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These are most excellent thoughts, Slugbaby, Guitartrek, Chinchen, and MGH, I'll focus more on advantages for now. (Sorry you blessed old-timer purists. You always have my utmost respect and honor if you prefer to make your own grooves from scratch.) More Hypothetical Advantages of Dropping Beats: 1) One should not re-invent a musical phrase just to discover, *subconsciously*, one sounds exactly like a groove-meister from song x or song y. IOWs, many 4/4 groove samples I've toyed with seem nearly identical, except for timbre. Everyone's groove seems not utterly unique. 2) The beats that you/I purchased allow some/many of us a fuller expression, anyway. These demo every percussive imaginable; something we song-writers crave. 3) A song-writer producer has a right to honor his palette, his instruments, his beats, his collab-helpers to express the song. All is vanity ... and much learning is wearisome to the flesh. 4) While excellent grooves can be spun-up in 10 minutes to an hour or 2; I need to know how others are doing it. I can then, ponder it, enrich it, and/or learn to assimilate it. 5) Judiciously 'dropping' secondary grooves (shakers, clackers, tambs, frogs, claps, etc. etc.) on top of pre-existing rock grooves oft redeems a turd-mix (for me). 6) Pre-fab grooves make for an excellent ambience and/or pad-element to toy with. 7) Discoid dance grooves are quickly 'discovered' 8) There are incremental rises and falls within grooves, square/sine waves, and instrument-hits ... for you and I to spicen up our expression.
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JamieC
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Re:MIDI Beats ... Your Take
2010/03/16 17:57:23
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Interesting thread! I have been working on my beats for a while now, and trying to get them to groove by triggering samples using a pad controller (MPD24). Things were sounding too sterile. I have an aversion to using a loop that someone has pre-programmed, partly because I like to vary the patterns, and partly because it would feel like I am cheating! Anyway, - I tried something new tonight... I loaded up the RXP and set up drum loop with good glitchy/scuffy sounds. Rather than just play the loop, I assigned each slice to a controller pad, and hey presto, - I can get great sounding hits that don't sound sterile, and I can record my pattern into the prv. Ahhh - so this is beat slicing made easy! I will try to incorporate this into my workflow to support Battery 3 which is my main go-to drum box. Incidentally, I was playing around with Dimension Pro last night and found a great range of cymbal sounds that I plan to use in anger soon. Jamie
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mlockett
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Re:MIDI Beats ... Your Take
2010/03/17 18:32:46
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First, I don't care about the cheating aspect... if I was in a regular band, I wouldn't be writing the drum parts. AS far as loops, it depends what you mean... there are programmed loops (which sound like loops), and there is MIDI which was recorded by pro drummers playing vDrums (e.g. GrooveMonkey, OddGrooves, etc.). The latter can sound pretty authentic in the hands of a savvy user. I'd prefer to have a real drummer (which sometimes I do), but from a practical standpoint, pre-made grooves often sound more realistic than grooves clicked into the piano roll in Sonar IMO.
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Philip
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Re:MIDI Beats ... Your Take
2010/03/18 21:35:25
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Thanks for chiming Jamie and MLockett, There are many levels of 'authenticity' to be sure. The better samples are a must, IMHO. I suppose Beatscape and DimPro percussives are fairly excellent (perhaps 16-bit ... I don't know). Methinks, a savvy user takes time to learn his beats, oft from the presets and oft from scratch (especially after he grows confident with his extensive vocabulary of beats.) Of course, garage drum beats are 'tried and proven' ... but there are so many worlds of beats out there waiting to be exploited into good use. Almost every mix of mine (about 25) stand to be improved by sprinkling such pixey dust.
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