My First Room Analysis

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2010/03/29 11:18:13 (permalink)

My First Room Analysis


 

 
I used a condenser mic in the middle of the room and ran a PINK NOISE sample through my speakers.
 
Can anyone read these things?  This is a totallly untreated room BTW.
 
Thanks in advance!


 

 
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    Re:My First Room Analysis 2010/03/29 14:33:00 (permalink)
    Well even if the data is confusing at least you've documented your starting point, Scott. You will now be able to see the changes after installing bass traps. The chart will start looking less like the Himalayas and more like the Appalachians.

    What the chart shows is the amplitude and decay times for different frequencies. Your sample window was too short so you can't see the complete reverberation times. You might want to re-shoot it with a longer window, as that will give a more complete picture for a room in which reverb times are this long. The window should probably be around 1 second, judging by where the graph cuts off (300ms). One of the parameters you can expect to see improve are reverberation times, which should shorten up to around 400ms or so.

    The chart also shows that your most severe room modes are around 95Hz and 160Hz. These should partially level out after the addition of bass traps. They may not get flat enough to make you happy, but just knowing your room has issues at those frequencies will help with EQ decisions, so you don't try to compensate for them with your equalizer.


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    Re:My First Room Analysis 2010/03/29 14:56:53 (permalink)
    Bit, that's great!  I'll try again with a longer window.  I'm still learning this software, your input is greatly appreciated!

    What I'm going to do here, if all of you FORUM folks don't object, is document the process from start to finish.  Here are photos of the completely untreated room.  I'll be adding more as progress is being made, along with Analyses along the way.  Maybe I'll learn something!!  LOL.












     

     
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    Re:My First Room Analysis 2010/03/29 19:21:46 (permalink)
    I would really appreciate you sharing progress.  Thanks a lot!
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    Re:My First Room Analysis 2010/03/29 21:24:45 (permalink)
    I'll be watching this too, thanks.

    One quick question though.
    Why is your door upside down? 


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    Re:My First Room Analysis 2010/03/30 16:41:34 (permalink)
    Hee hee, I did the door like that because I needed it to open a certain way, and I needed to cut the "top" to fit.  There was actually more to work with on bottom (to cut), so it ended up like that!!  LOL.  You're the first to notice!!!! 

    Yes, this should be an education and will be good to document here.  I should be getting those pads here soon, and will be building panels and traps in the next few weeks, as well as mudding/painting that room.

    Wish me luck.


     

     
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    Re:My First Room Analysis 2010/03/30 19:26:31 (permalink)
    That room looks like a perfectly square box...that's not good is it?
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    Re:My First Room Analysis 2010/03/30 20:00:50 (permalink)
    Before you even think about subjecting that room to loud vibrations, you want to secure those drywall panels. You don't have anywhere near enough screws there. The vertical panels are free to vibrate, and the ceiling is dangerously unsupported. It's only a matter of time before it will come down. That stuff is not as strong as it seems. You need screws every 7". No shortcuts.
    Just don't want to see you get hurt. Take care of that, then proceed with the sound checks

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    Re:My First Room Analysis 2010/03/30 23:14:07 (permalink)
    Yes, we're still under construction.  I haven't started mudding, etc. you'll notice.  I'm going to be seriously screwing down those panels and spending time mudding, painting, etc., before I do anything.  I just got everything up with a buddy of mine, and now that it's up, I'll be spending time finishing and making it strong.

    No, it's not a square box, it's 12 x 9.

    BTW, the couch is in there because it won't fit through the door.  I had to get it in there and THEN put the door frame on.  LOL.  We'll be covering it before the finishing work, obviously!!!
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    Re:My First Room Analysis 2010/03/31 01:41:05 (permalink)
    The couch may be one of the best acoustical treatments you add to the room! Just don't cover it in leather or naugahide. Use a breathable fabric.

    I think it's a great idea to share the whole process. Thanks for taking the time.


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    Re:My First Room Analysis 2010/03/31 03:54:18 (permalink)
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    The couch may be one of the best acoustical treatments you add to the room! Just don't cover it in leather or naugahide. Use a breathable fabric.
    Amen to that, Dave! I would also add that I think Spindlebox is putting the proverbial "cart before the horse" by trying to do room analysis until the walls, floors and ceiling are nearly finished...It seems he's locked into the 12' x 9' dimension so he should finish the room and then start worrying about what acoustic treatments are needed...
     
    In addition to the photos he's providing if would be nice to know what materials he's using (1/2" drywall, 5/8" drywall, "3/4" drywall, how many layers, what type of insulation, etc.,)...The photos alone give no insight into the actual contruction which is VERY important....


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    Re:My First Room Analysis 2010/03/31 11:41:59 (permalink)
    Hey, it's my pleasure to share the process.  I'm picking up lots of great ideas along the way.  I'm at the prime point to do it right or wrong!  So I'm taking my time and listening to those in the know.

    Some specs for those that are interested.

    Walls are 6" thick.  The front wall (with window) is stuffed with OC 703.  The same treatment will be applied to the wall with the door to the left.

    The window is 1/2" plexiglass, and there's a sheet on the control room side, and the live room side, with 4" in between, though at the top it's 6", because I have the live room side angled down.  I'd like more ideas on how to seal this better. 

    The two remaining walls are covered with drywall (single layer unfortunately, money is tight, but I'm hoping with the wall thickness and the insulation underneath I'll be allright) (BTW, all my drywall is 1/2") and 2x4 studs against concrete cellar walls.  The ceiling has just the standard pink house insulation underneath.
     
    BTW,
    I constructed it against the concrete walls, because I didn't want any of the studio walls to be near outside walls, even though there is concrete there.  On the other side of these basement walls is earth, the other side of the house slopes down, and there are windows, etc. to deal with. 

    The floor is feux wooden flooring, basically a very nice linoleum treatment., directly on concrete.  It looks really nice and actually real!  We may put a throw rug down at some point, but don't want to deaden the room too much.

    Feel free to ask any questions or offer suggestions!!!
     
    Thank you all!



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    Re:My First Room Analysis 2010/03/31 14:55:22 (permalink)
    I'm pretty sure you should be using an omnidirectional mic for testing purposes.  I used the mic built in to the Radio Shack SPL Meter when I tested my space.

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    Re:My First Room Analysis 2010/04/02 07:27:50 (permalink)
    Excellent, I love these threads! Will follow closely. Did you all see that thread from the mastering engineer in Amsterdam? That was a great one to follow. Here is the link:

    http://www.gearslutz.com/...nstruction-thread.html


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    Re:My First Room Analysis 2010/04/02 23:28:45 (permalink)
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    The couch may be one of the best acoustical treatments you add to the room! Just don't cover it in leather or naugahide. Use a breathable fabric.

    I think it's a great idea to share the whole process. Thanks for taking the time.


    You may want to re-access your thinking on this point. The contours and soft backing of a couch are not  likely to be highly reflective with that type of membrane. The most important part is ...if you " womp" on the couch in various areas you'll notice that it's resonant at a number of low frequencies that can actually be fairly broad band from as low as 30 hz to upwards to the lower mid bass regions. This means it will absorb those frequencies passively and can act as an effective bass trap. Plus breaking up major room nodes because it's resonant at low freq's adds a lot of help.

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    Re:My First Room Analysis 2010/04/03 00:27:06 (permalink)
    Are you making the opposite walls not parallel to each other?  Even a few degrees away from parallel is beneficial.

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    Re:My First Room Analysis 2010/04/04 05:50:41 (permalink)
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    The couch may be one of the best acoustical treatments you add to the room! Just don't cover it in leather or naugahide. Use a breathable fabric.

    I think it's a great idea to share the whole process. Thanks for taking the time.


    You may want to re-access your thinking on this point. The contours and soft backing of a couch are not  likely to be highly reflective with that type of membrane. The most important part is ...if you " womp" on the couch in various areas you'll notice that it's resonant at a number of low frequencies that can actually be fairly broad band from as low as 30 hz to upwards to the lower mid bass regions. This means it will absorb those frequencies passively and can act as an effective bass trap. Plus breaking up major room nodes because it's resonant at low freq's adds a lot of help.

    Rbh,
     
    The whole idea behind room design is to AVOID reflective surfaces (other than carefully designed diffusers)...Perhaps I misunderstood your post...

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    Re:My First Room Analysis 2010/04/04 10:49:37 (permalink)
    When are you going to put your light fixtures in?


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    Re:My First Room Analysis 2010/04/04 14:22:56 (permalink)
    Well... what I'm saying is, in a practical  manner, that with a leather or naugahide membrane stretched along curved contours with varying degrees of tautness and padding backed under it...that it will be more likely to serve to absorb low frequency content. Some mid and high frequency content will reflect, but it will be diffused due to the contours....much better than a flat surface. I like to think in terms of energy level, wave length and resonance, I worked in the field of ultrasound in a past life....... If you use loose weeve fabric then you will likely loose the absorbtion qualities in the low frequency band because they will pass right through. With a membrane it will resonate and be damped by the backing and padding. Throw a blanket over the back and you get the best of both worlds. One of the most interesting " home brewed " bass trap designs I've heard of uses a shallow box - about 6" deep with a large surface area - 6' wide with floor to ceiling height. Pack the box with loose fill insulation or batting. Then stretch .06" thick rubber roofing over the frame and vary the tautness of the rubber roof membrane from very loose  ( for VLF absorption ) to as tight as practical for more upper bass to lower mid absorption. The membrane wants to resonate at different frequencies..the batting damps it. 

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