JComissio
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Recordings Randomly Delete When Recording Stops
I am running Sonar 6 (64bit) on Windows XP. When I am recording I will often experience this: I will see the recording in progress and everything seems to be running smoothly, but once I hit the space bar or press the stop button to stop the recording, the part I just recorded will instantly delete/disappear with no trace of it ever being there. This doesn't happen all the time, but very often. Any clue why this is happening??
-Jon
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strikinglyhandsome1
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Re:Recordings Randomly Delete When Recording Stops
2010/03/29 13:20:14
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Is this audio or midi or both?
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Re:Recordings Randomly Delete When Recording Stops
2010/03/29 15:25:24
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You're not doing what I was, which is to have the autopunch enabled but trying to record to a different part of the track?
Drove me nuts and I was convinced Sonar was a piece of junk. Boy did I feel stupid...
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Re:Recordings Randomly Delete When Recording Stops
2010/03/29 15:45:36
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Recording seems to go perfectly - waveforms are drawn correctly etc. but immediately after recording is stopped whole take just disappears.
I had this issue last weekend. I recorded audio 15 minutes (14 tracks, 44,1k/24) and after I pressed Spacebar all recorded data was lost. I checked the Audio folder: files of the lost take are there but their size is 4 kB.
For me this happens ONLY at the first time when Sonar and project is opened.
I'm also almost sure that it has something to do with audio drivers. Try changing settings in Options / Audio.
My setup: Win7 64 bit, Sonar 8.5.3 PE 32 bit, 2 x RME Fireface 800 / ASIO
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JComissio
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Re:Recordings Randomly Delete When Recording Stops
2010/03/29 16:17:41
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craigfowler
You're not doing what I was, which is to have the autopunch enabled but trying to record to a different part of the track?
Drove me nuts and I was convinced Sonar was a piece of junk. Boy did I feel stupid...
Nope, Auto-Punch is not enabled.
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JComissio
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Re:Recordings Randomly Delete When Recording Stops
2010/03/29 16:19:19
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strikinglyhandsome1
Is this audio or midi or both?
Audio. I never really use Midi so I'm not sure if it would happen to it as well.
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JComissio
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Re:Recordings Randomly Delete When Recording Stops
2010/03/29 16:23:58
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panup
Recording seems to go perfectly - waveforms are drawn correctly etc. but immediately after recording is stopped whole take just disappears.
I had this issue last weekend. I recorded audio 15 minutes (14 tracks, 44,1k/24) and after I pressed Spacebar all recorded data was lost. I checked the Audio folder: files of the lost take are there but their size is 4 kB.
For me this happens ONLY at the first time when Sonar and project is opened.
I'm also almost sure that it has something to do with audio drivers. Try changing settings in Options / Audio.
My setup: Win7 64 bit, Sonar 8.5.3 PE 32 bit, 2 x RME Fireface 800 / ASIO
I wish it only happened the first time I opened a project! It happens randomly. I have my driver mode set to ASIO as well - always have and have never had a problem until now. It just doesn't make sense.
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Re:Recordings Randomly Delete When Recording Stops
2010/03/29 16:28:48
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I have never, not even once, had this happen...Not sure what you're doing wrong but you're doing something wrong...
Regards, Papa CLICK HERE for a link to support for SONAR 8.5 CLICK HERE to view a list of video tutorials... CLICK HERE for a link to Getting Started with Session Drummer 3...
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Re:Recordings Randomly Delete When Recording Stops
2010/03/29 16:52:59
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I have met this issue many times and in my case it has most probably something to do with interaction between Sonar and RME ASIO driver. This is quite painful bug: you can't predict if recording is going to be succesfull before you stop it.
JComissio,
Try tweaking RecordPreAllocSeconds parameter in aud.ini and see if it helps. (Audio Options / Advanced / Configuration settings: Edit Config File) If not, turn off "Share Drivers With Other Programs" and "Use Multiprocessing Engine". Enable "Always Open All Devices".
Delete everything in Picture Cache folder.
Uninstall & reinstall audio driver.
Disable Windows Sounds.
Defragment disks & check for errors.
Maybe something of these will cure...
-Panu
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JComissio
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Re:Recordings Randomly Delete When Recording Stops
2010/03/29 17:30:18
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Panu,
I can't find "RecordPreAllocSeconds" parameter.
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Re:Recordings Randomly Delete When Recording Stops
2010/03/29 17:37:34
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I have always had this problem. From I think 4 to 6 now 8.5. Its not a huge deal as I am only recording myself, but it is a little 'wtf!?!'. I know for sure it happens with audio tracks and may have happened with midi although i cant fully recall.
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Re:Recordings Randomly Delete When Recording Stops
2010/03/29 17:47:38
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I have never, not even once, had this happen...Not sure what you're doing wrong but you're doing something wrong... +1 ...and if this was happening to me, I would certainly consider it to be unacceptable.
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Re:Recordings Randomly Delete When Recording Stops
2010/03/29 18:02:41
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I have had this happen many times as well. It only happens if I push space bar without pushing r or record to stop recording- It seems it happens usually when Im working pretty fast-
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Re:Recordings Randomly Delete When Recording Stops
2010/03/29 18:26:06
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JComissio,
Here is my aud.ini's [Aud] part:
[Aud]
DataDir=E:\audio
PictureDir=C:\Cakewalk Projects\Picture Cache
PicCacheMB=500
PicCacheZoom=128
PicCacheLevels=2
EnablePicCacheThreads=1
ComputePicturesWhilePlaying=1
CopyOnImport=1
ReadCache=0
WriteCache=0
EnableCacheWriteThru=1
VolMethod=1
PanMethod=1
DiskBufSize=256
DiskRecBufSize=256
ExtraDiskBuffers=2
DitherAlgorithm=4
ZeroFillMethod=2
RecordPreAllocSeconds=0
ZeroFillDB=300
FlushWriteBeforeRead=0
FlushMultiple=1
DefaultEqPosition=0
DefaultAudSnapOfflineStretchMethod=3
DefaultAudSnapOnlineStretchMethod=1
RadiusStretchingPitchCoherence=50
RadiusStretchingPhaseCoherence=50
RealtimePreroll=0
SuspendPluginsOnBounce=1
You could try to make backup of your current aud.ini and let Sonar create it from scratch.
You may also add that parameter manually and try anything between 0 and for example 300 (five minutes).
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brundlefly
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Re:Recordings Randomly Delete When Recording Stops
2010/03/29 18:45:09
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I can't find "RecordPreAllocSeconds" parameter. That parameter may not have existed in S6.
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Re:Recordings Randomly Delete When Recording Stops
2010/03/29 18:53:16
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Brundlefly is right... It came to later Sonar versions.
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JComissio
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Re:Recordings Randomly Delete When Recording Stops
2010/03/30 12:05:38
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panup
I have met this issue many times and in my case it has most probably something to do with interaction between Sonar and RME ASIO driver. This is quite painful bug: you can't predict if recording is going to be succesfull before you stop it.
JComissio,
Try tweaking RecordPreAllocSeconds parameter in aud.ini and see if it helps. (Audio Options / Advanced / Configuration settings: Edit Config File) If not, turn off "Share Drivers With Other Programs" and "Use Multiprocessing Engine". Enable "Always Open All Devices".
Delete everything in Picture Cache folder.
Uninstall & reinstall audio driver.
Disable Windows Sounds.
Defragment disks & check for errors.
Maybe something of these will cure...
-Panu
Although Sonar 6 doesn't have RecordPreAllocSeconds, I followed your other suggestions but unfortunately the problems persists. I noticed though it only happens if I stop the recording by pressing the spacebar OR clicking the stop icon with the mouse. If I stop the recording by pressing R on the keyboard and then pressing the spacebar to stop playback then my recordings are fine. Of course I can do this in order to make sure my recordings are secure, but still the problem shouldn't be there at all. Very unusual... -Jon
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Re:Recordings Randomly Delete When Recording Stops
2010/03/30 15:58:21
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Does anybody remember name of a parameter that defines in which order audio devices are opened when playback/recording is started?
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Bonzos Ghost
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Re:Recordings Randomly Delete When Recording Stops
2010/03/30 16:03:43
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WEIRD
I've used Sonar since Sonar 2. I always hit the spacebar after I finish recording. This has never happened. Not once.
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Re:Recordings Randomly Delete When Recording Stops
2010/03/30 17:33:52
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JComissio
I am running Sonar 6 (64bit) on Windows XP. When I am recording I will often experience this: I will see the recording in progress and everything seems to be running smoothly, but once I hit the space bar or press the stop button to stop the recording, the part I just recorded will instantly delete/disappear with no trace of it ever being there. This doesn't happen all the time, but very often. Any clue why this is happening??
-Jon
That is totally abnormal behavior...It should not be happening...Something is corrupted in your setup...I've been using CW/SONAR products for a long time and that has never happened...Not with audio or MIDI...Have you seen any "error messages"? Have you tried to contact tech support at CW? You're doing something wrong or you have something configured improperly...
Regards, Papa CLICK HERE for a link to support for SONAR 8.5 CLICK HERE to view a list of video tutorials... CLICK HERE for a link to Getting Started with Session Drummer 3...
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Re:Recordings Randomly Delete When Recording Stops
2013/01/24 01:30:09
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Hate to breath life back into this old gem, but why am I now seeing this behaviour randomly in X2a?? What the?? Both audio and midi clips 'vanish'! Anyone ever get to the bottom of this?
Millzy i7 3770K, 16gb ram, Samsung EVO SSD, 2 x WD drives, RME Babyface, Win 10 (x64), Cakewalk by Bandlab, heaps of other stuff.
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Re:Recordings Randomly Delete When Recording Stops
2013/01/24 11:11:26
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You should ask this question in the x1 x2 forum. It is always best to start a new thread and in the correct version forum wher ethere are more users. , you waste peoples time making them read old posts. Ask you question there and please include information about your system and audio interface as that helps get faster answers,, good luck, sounds like a dandy.
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