Need CPU usage remedy advice...

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2010/04/01 10:28:19 (permalink)

Need CPU usage remedy advice...

I have been working with Dell PC, 4GB RAM for a few years now.
 
I use Sonar 7PE, Drumcore 3, and Reason 4.
 
With my recent purchase of Waves GTR3, when recording with it my CPU usage goes up to 42%. That's one track. If I add another instance to a 2nd track, it goes up to 75% and starts dropping out.
 
It seems this new software is pushing my computer over the edge and I need a solution.
 
I have an external hard drive, if I move all of my recording software to it, would it help?
 
Please suggest away....I need options.... :-)
 
Thanks!

Erin Murphy-Dunn
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    Steve_Karl
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    Re:Need CPU usage remedy advice... 2010/04/07 09:35:29 (permalink)
    murphmusik


     
    I have an external hard drive, if I move all of my recording software to it, would it help?
     


    It would most likely get worse.

    Disable as many back ground processes as possible.

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    murphmusik
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    Re:Need CPU usage remedy advice... 2010/04/07 09:56:07 (permalink)
    I am actually just going to buy a new computer. It seems I have maxxed out my current one, no more room for additional memory .

    Time for a serious upgrade, Sweetwater's 'Creation Station' is my solution...

    :-)

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    Re:Need CPU usage remedy advice... 2010/04/08 10:27:39 (permalink)
    Just in case you're not aware of this:
    RAM is rarely the bottle neck when it comes to plugins and VSTi(s)
    It's much more likely the CPU is ... or something else is using the CPU when you need it.
    If your current machine was capable of 16GB of ram and you added that ram, you'd still most likely be having the same problems.

    A new machine is always nice and I suspect the CPU will be stronger on the new PC so it will most likely fix your problems.
    post edited by Steve_Karl - 2010/04/08 10:29:04

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    Re:Need CPU usage remedy advice... 2010/04/08 11:23:51 (permalink)
    murphmusik


    I am actually just going to buy a new computer. It seems I have maxxed out my current one, no more room for additional memory .

    Time for a serious upgrade, Sweetwater's 'Creation Station' is my solution...

    :-)


    keep looking! much better options out there

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    murphmusik
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    Re:Need CPU usage remedy advice... 2010/04/08 16:35:37 (permalink)
    I have looked around and have not seen anything that compares for the $1400 price tag......

    Can you please tell me what some of the better options are that you know of?

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    Re:Need CPU usage remedy advice... 2010/04/08 17:16:03 (permalink)
    nearly any daw builder but them! (well ok not rain either)

    lets see for $1499 with SW you get

    a very low performing dual Core i5 processor and onboard video.
    as well as a pethetically weak power supply.
    (true with all the 3 lowered priced systems)
    its not until you get to their top model that there is any decent system

    google "pro audio computer"
    you will find several who can do better.

    one sells the same system for $1200.. (if thats the kinda of system you want)
    or for the same $1499
    you can get a Quad i5 750 which is nearly 2 times as powerful as the Core i5


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    Re:Need CPU usage remedy advice... 2010/04/08 17:52:12 (permalink)
    Erin,
    What processor is in your Dell? And which version of Windows are you running?

    Dells come with a lot of junk software and services running that you don't need--especially if you're trying to create music. I've cleaned a lot of them in the past few months, and that's just for general business use.

    Moving your VST samples to or recording to the external drive might help. In general, you don't want to record to or stream samples from your operating system hard drive. I don't think this will overcome the Waves issue, but it might help a bit.

    If you can give us a bit more background on your hardware and software, we can probably give you a better idea of your options.

    Another option: Give the Waves plug-ins to me, and you won't have to worry about CPU issues any more. I'm willing to throw myself upon that grenade if it helps you.

    SONAR Platinum ▪ NI Komplete, Korg DLC, Arturia V5 Collection, Dimension Pro, IK Multimedia & other synths ▪ Les Paul, Peavey and Yamaha guitars. Listen to some of my stuff here: https://soundcloud.com/shadowsoflife . Comments from other SONAR users are always welcome!
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    Re:Need CPU usage remedy advice... 2010/04/08 18:51:44 (permalink)
    ha!! sorry...love the GTR3...not giving it up :-)
     
    Dell Dimension
    Intel Celeron D
    Windows XP Home 2002
    SP2

    I've already uninstalled lots of the junk and it made very little difference. Any program I should specifically look for? Not sure if it matters at this point..it's a pretty old machine now...

    thanks for everyone's help & suggestions...

    Erin Murphy-Dunn
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    Re:Need CPU usage remedy advice... 2010/04/08 21:21:56 (permalink)
    Fine! Keep yer GTR3! I didn't want it anyway! (*grumble*)

    The problem here is your Celeron processor, so no...there's really no hope for this one.

    If you have a budget in mind, there are many options out there, depending upon what you see yourself doing musically on your computer. You appear to be a guitarist, so I don't know if you'd want to run a lot of softsynths. Those require a LOT of RAM. VST or DX effects aren't as RAM-intensive, though the are processor-intensive.

    Will you be recording/processing many tracks at once? Think you'll be getting into softsyths?

    The computer requirements for the GTR3 aren't that bad. Any low-end computer you buy today would be able to handle it. That said, Waves' Web site only lists GTR3 running under 32-bit versions of Windows. You might want to keep that in mind, unless you find out from them that it actually will work in Windows 7, 64-bit.

    So...figure out how much you want to spend and what you'd like to do with this, and we can give you a better idea of what your options are...

    ...even if you won't give me the GTR3.

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    Re:Need CPU usage remedy advice... 2010/04/09 11:00:06 (permalink)
    thanks.....yeah...processor is killing me right now.

    Yes i do use softsynths occasionally, and rewire applications (Reason). And Drumcore is now a VSTi, with version 3. I haven't seen too much of a CPU jump with Drumcore. But it does increase a little.
     
    $1450 is the absolute ceiling of my budget. I've see a lot that I like in the $1400 range.

    I will definitely shoot a note to Waves regarding the 64 bit vs 32.
     

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    Re:Need CPU usage remedy advice... 2010/04/09 11:26:32 (permalink)
    Checked with Waves....GTR3 is not compatible with 64 bit.
    However, the computer I am looking at right now runs Windows 7, 32 bit. So....I'm still good. :-)

    I definitely want to buy something with enough processing speed and memory that will carry me for a few years. I don't do huge projects at the moment, but I want to have the capability when they do come up.

    thanks again for everyone's help & suggestions...

    Erin Murphy-Dunn
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    Re:Need CPU usage remedy advice... 2010/04/09 11:44:26 (permalink)
    Did Waves say the GTR3 simply won't work in a 64-bit OS, or just that they don't support it? Some VSTs (Proteus VX, for example) simply don't work properly, but many do. If Waves doesn't support it, then you could probably still use it. You just couldn't call them if there was a problem. That said, Windows 7 32-bit will hold you for a few years, and you should be able to get something in your price range, easily.

    Of course, the 32-bit version of Windows will still only address about 3.5GB of RAM, but that's not really your problem right now, anyway. The Intel i5 and i7 processors would be good for you--even the "entry-level" ones, though a low-end, hyper-threaded i7 would probably be your best bet. On the other hand, AMD processors aren't quite as powerful as Intel's right now, but they're easily powerful enough and they cost less.

    Some people in these forums have found that certain i7 processors cause problems in SONAR because of the way the processor handles the workload. (It can turn unneeded parts off or on and speed them up as necessary, and SONAR--and some VSTis--don't care for that much.) You might want to check into that before making a decision.

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    Re:Need CPU usage remedy advice... 2010/04/09 13:31:43 (permalink)
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    Checked with Waves....GTR3 is not compatible with 64 bit.
    However, the computer I am looking at right now runs Windows 7, 32 bit. So....I'm still good. :-)

    I definitely want to buy something with enough processing speed and memory that will carry me for a few years. I don't do huge projects at the moment, but I want to have the capability when they do come up.

    thanks again for everyone's help & suggestions...

    you want to install a 64 bit OS
    but install Sonar in 32bit
     
    THEN GTR will work fine..
     
     

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    Re:Need CPU usage remedy advice... 2010/04/09 13:58:36 (permalink)
    LOL i know this is system is commercial and so, but this HP Pavillion p6055d with widescreen monitor was bought for around $800 (Exclude the monitors and it may be around $700). Core 2 Quad Q8200 processor, and it can surely handle Sonar smoothly.

    Check out my band's song on YouTube!

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    Re:Need CPU usage remedy advice... 2010/04/09 14:44:11 (permalink)
    Nothing wrong with that. I still think commercial systems are just as good. You'll have to get some of the junkware off of them and tweak them a bit, but as long as you can get done what you need, why spend extra?

    Besides, if Erin (the OP) can get a system like yours for $800, she'd have $600 left over to buy copies of GTR3 for you and me BOTH!

    How sweet is that?

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    Re:Need CPU usage remedy advice... 2010/04/09 15:24:32 (permalink)
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    Nothing wrong with that. I still think commercial systems are just as good. You'll have to get some of the junkware off of them and tweak them a bit, but as long as you can get done what you need, why spend extra?

    Besides, if Erin (the OP) can get a system like yours for $800, she'd have $600 left over to buy copies of GTR3 for you and me BOTH!

    How sweet is that?


    Very brilliant idea there Steve (And i wish he would really give us a copy! In my dreams? )! And yes it takes a little tweaking or so, i removed all the HP crap so i find this system real nice. The only thing that slows it down is that my DAW is also my internet PC/casual usage PC. I have no other computer left.

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    Re:Need CPU usage remedy advice... 2010/04/09 16:54:36 (permalink)
    hahaha!! ok that's funny....!! but if I had enough left over I would probably by more Waves software since my new system won't be bogging down with it. Sorry! :-)
     
    I will check out the HP...I did breeze thru a few model descriptions the other day...but one other thing I worry about is the noise. I record vocals in the same room now, and have found my mic is picking up fan noise. I didn't see any HP models with any sort of "quiet" technology.



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    Re:Need CPU usage remedy advice... 2010/04/09 18:30:35 (permalink)
    True, most HPs are designed for home or business use, but you can retrofit them with quieter fans and sound dampening material for very little money. Larger, quieter fans, a quieter power supply and sound absorption material would add less than $100 to your purchase, I'd bet. Adding them to your computer is quite easy.

    Just a thought....

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    Re:Need CPU usage remedy advice... 2010/04/09 19:36:44 (permalink)
    A Celeron D processor and 4 gig of ram--talk about a mis-match.
    I built a quad 6600 with that amount of ram including the case/power supply and a video card for under $550.00 two years ago. If you cannot afford a professional DAW build, you can certainly build a very credible quad core machine for $1400.00. Professional builds tend to be pushing the performance envelope, and purchasing parts near their peak price point as a result. Off-the-shelf general computers like Dell tend to use poorly expandable motherboards and cheap components and sell you an undeserved reputation for service and reliability. By looking for components that were top of the line 6-18 months ago, you can generally build your own (even at retail component costs) economically.
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