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Is this possible with Words and Song????????
Is it possible to actually write a song without these letters or whatever in them? I,Me,You, Them,Those,They, You get the picture at least with those words. How the heck do you remove youreself from the ideal of the song and also the ideal of others being mentioned in the song? Every song I hear always has a ME-YOU-THEM- or I in it. Is it possible to write a song without ME You I or THEM in it? It's really irritating listening to songs when you realize that the person singing it is all about them, or perhaps me you or I.  Thoughts? Bobby
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Re:Is this possible with Words and Song????????
2010/04/18 10:58:05
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Well, Body Count has a song that goes: "Body count, body M-F count!" (repeat until end) and still manages to be a pretty good song in some magical way. I even think it's the sequel to "Body count, body count, yeah!"
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Re:Is this possible with Words and Song????????
2010/04/18 11:11:40
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Most songs are written about the personal experience of the songwriter. Therefore, the words you mention are likely to be included.
However, there are "story" songs - songs written about other people and events - that do not need those words. There's always exceptions to every likelihood or "rule."
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Re:Is this possible with Words and Song????????
2010/04/18 12:23:03
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Well, enough about ME. Let's talk about YOU. What do YOU think of ME?
I, for one, am sick of the self-absorbed woe is me here's what I am feeling I am a tortured soul and I'm so deep that my romantic mistakes have revealed the meaning of life songs.
If it's a straight recounting of a story "...me and Del were singin', Little Runaway...", then the first-person perspective is fine. It makes sense that the story be told from the speaker's perspective.
But if you just want to whine about how your heart was broken - nobody cares!
It's really not so much the first-person perspective that's the problem, it's the subject matter. In order to take out I, me, and us, the story has to be about something else outside the storyteller.
Lots of great songs have managed it. I just can't think of any right now...
 All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. My Stuff
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Re:Is this possible with Words and Song????????
2010/04/18 12:41:51
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All Along The Watchtower
John Barleycorn Must Die
Wreck of The Edmund Fitgerald
Eleanor Rigby
Spirit of Radio
Aqualung
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Re:Is this possible with Words and Song????????
2010/04/18 23:32:53
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Business men...they drink my wine...
Superior they said never gives up her dead....
all the lonely people....where do they all come from...
aqualung my friend....don't you start away uneasy....
Spirit of the Radio works....sort of. Uses YOUR and ONE...but never you or I.
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Re:Is this possible with Words and Song????????
2010/04/19 03:37:34
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Business men...they drink my wine...
Superior they said never gives up her dead....
all the lonely people....where do they all come from...
aqualung my friend....don't you start away uneasy....
Spirit of the Radio works....sort of. Uses YOUR and ONE...but never you or I.
Yes, one knows that  I think the OP is talking about every song seemingly being about relationships, unless I'm reading him wrong, which is entirely feasible.
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Re:Is this possible with Words and Song????????
2010/04/19 05:48:28
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To the OP, YES! Absolutely :)
Write about anything, don't hold back because putting limits on oneself is limiting ones own creativity.
Get all your ideas down, and then gather and form those ideas into songs.
And remember; you can always go back, change, add or remove, be it one word or a stanza, do whatever.
Nothing has to be set in stone, set your creative-spirit free.
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Re:Is this possible with Words and Song????????
2010/04/19 06:53:55
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It didn't bother Yes - most of Anderson's lyrics, whilst perfect for the songs styles were absolute gibberish when simply read through.
Dawn of light lying between a silence and sold sources
Chased amid fusions of wonder
In moments hardly seen forgotten
Coloured in pastures of chance dancing leaves cast spells of challenge
Amused but real in thought, we fled from the sea whole
Dawn of thought transferred through moments of days undersearching earth
Revealing corridors of time provoking memories
Disjointed but with purpose
Craving penetrations offer links with the self instructors sharp and tender love
As we took to the air a picture of distance
Dawn of our power we amuse redescending as fast as misused expression
As only to teach love as to reveal passion chasing late into corners
And we danced from the ocean
Dawn of love sent within us colours of awakening among the many wont to follow
Only tunes of a different age
As the links span our endless caresses for the freedom of life everlasting
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Re:Is this possible with Words and Song????????
2010/04/19 07:43:24
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jamesg1213
skullsession
Business men...they drink my wine...
Superior they said never gives up her dead....
all the lonely people....where do they all come from...
aqualung my friend....don't you start away uneasy....
Spirit of the Radio works....sort of. Uses YOUR and ONE...but never you or I.
Yes, one knows that I think the OP is talking about every song seemingly being about relationships, unless I'm reading him wrong, which is entirely feasible.
I figured you did....but ONE never knows....does ONE? On that note....The Kinks. To hear them tell it, they still needed another "hit" for an album. And they looked....saw that the most successful songs seemd to have the words...YOU and ME in them. So....they wrote.... YOU really got ME now. And the rest....is classic rock history.
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Re:Is this possible with Words and Song????????
2010/04/19 08:34:31
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Imagine me and you, and you and me, no matter how we toss the dice it has to be, the only one for me is you and you for me.... so happy together.
post edited by Guitarhacker - 2010/04/19 08:35:56
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Re:Is this possible with Words and Song????????
2010/04/19 11:35:34
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It didn't bother Yes - most of Anderson's lyrics, whilst perfect for the songs styles were absolute gibberish when simply read through. Except for maybe ... You and I And you and I climb, crossing the shapes of the morning. And you and I reach over the sun for the river. And you and I climb, clearer, towards the movement. And you and I called over valleys of endless seas.
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Re:Is this possible with Words and Song????????
2010/04/20 05:26:15
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Ofcourse it is!
Song: Not Unlike The Waves by Agalloch
Aurora swims in the ether
Emerald fire scars the night sky
Amber streams from Sol
Are not unlike the waves of the sea
Nor the endless horizon of ice
Aurora swims in the ether
Emerald fire paints the twilight
Heidrun bleeds the golden nectar
For the raising sun and the moon
The midnight wolves who watch over the dawn
Solstafir!!!
There are many more songs like this.
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Re:Is this possible with Words and Song????????
2010/04/20 05:28:00
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Song: Birch White by Agalloch The birch tree in winter Leaning over the secret pool Is Narcissus in love With the slight white branches, The slim trunk, In the dark glass; But, Spring coming on, Is afraid, And scarfs the white limbs In green. See. There isn't even "we", though you didn't include that on your wordlist OP.
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Re:Is this possible with Words and Song????????
2010/04/20 05:45:29
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It didn't bother Yes - most of Anderson's lyrics, whilst perfect for the songs styles were absolute gibberish when simply read through.
Except for maybe ... You and I
And you and I climb, crossing the shapes of the morning.
And you and I reach over the sun for the river.
And you and I climb, clearer, towards the movement.
And you and I called over valleys of endless seas.
I wondered if anyone would remember that classic!!!!
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Re:Is this possible with Words and Song????????
2010/04/22 23:28:35
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Song: Birch White by Agalloch
The birch tree in winter
Leaning over the secret pool
Is Narcissus in love
With the slight white branches,
The slim trunk,
In the dark glass;
But,
Spring coming on,
Is afraid,
And scarfs the white limbs
In green.
See. There isn't even "we", though you didn't include that on your wordlist OP.
You make an excellent point. "BUT" those are the feelings of the person, meaning there's a big "I" word there ya know.  I'm only kidding with that last comment. That's like some Jim Morrison type of stuff for words, very entertaining to read. And that's what I would like to do someday. Make a song an experience and not about just feelings. LOL, I don't mean take acid and go on a trip writing words, I mean stop making what you are trying to say in a song about YOU/I/ME/WE/THEM/THOSE/US/etc....... Does this mean that music is just a way to make a statement to be heard be it with words or sound as to how we view the happenings in our various life's? I know I went off topic in my own thread, but I Think that's alright eh? What I mean by that is - "I'm just looking for ways to be creative with words other than just the plain old 1-4-5 music and words that as I am getting older sound more like complaints than just entertaining songs". BTW - No offense meant by that last statement to anyone, heck I make up those kinda tunes all the time, but as of late I'm thinking that this is the reason I don't hit play for them much anymore. Just a thought...... LOL, I was trying to figure out how to ask for your thoughts without using those common sayings, but I guess I can't do that. Thoughts? - LOL, how stupid is that remark? Somebody could say Wheat bread and no mustard ya know. In all seriousness thanks to everyone who has commented, I value your opinions and thoughts highly. I'm trying to get out of the rut of rhyming words and just making up words for the sake of their need in the song, in other words I would like what I add with words in the future to mean something and not be something designed as part of the song. Thanks again Bobby
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Freeze 1st
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Re:Is this possible with Words and Song????????
2010/04/22 23:34:44
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bitflipper
Well, enough about ME. Let's talk about YOU. What do YOU think of ME?
I, for one, am sick of the self-absorbed woe is me here's what I am feeling I am a tortured soul and I'm so deep that my romantic mistakes have revealed the meaning of life songs.
If it's a straight recounting of a story "...me and Del were singin', Little Runaway...", then the first-person perspective is fine. It makes sense that the story be told from the speaker's perspective.
But if you just want to whine about how your heart was broken - nobody cares!
It's really not so much the first-person perspective that's the problem, it's the subject matter. In order to take out I, me, and us, the story has to be about something else outside the storyteller.
Lots of great songs have managed it. I just can't think of any right now...
Ha, here's a challenge bitflipper, explain your Sig without using a you or an I for one. LOL, never mind, I just realized you already done that! I'm only kidding. Thanks
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Re:Is this possible with Words and Song????????
2010/04/23 13:20:45
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Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald
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Re:Is this possible with Words and Song????????
2010/04/23 14:07:20
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Dave King
Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald
See post *5
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Re:Is this possible with Words and Song????????
2010/04/23 15:23:08
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is there an echo in here????.....
echo in here......
in here............
here...................
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Re:Is this possible with Words and Song????????
2010/04/23 16:01:14
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Dave King Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald See post *5 Weird... I must have read that, but processed it subconsciously. I think my brain needs more RAM. maybe an upgrade to WIN 7 is in order!
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Re:Is this possible with Words and Song????????
2010/04/23 18:42:02
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Freeze, I'm sure you'll do it and it'll be great (I can't wait for your next song)! IMHO, a song is oft a relationship: 1st, 2nd, and/or 3rd person. Your "ME-YOU-THEM- or I" terms might perhaps be inferred anyway ... in all songs. (2nd person may be the lessor of evils) But, like Bit described, "love issues" are a problem (for all of us) ... it is easy to get self-absorbed: Pepto-bismalated, etc. It certainly is tough to be the redeemer with all my whining rabbit trails (we're all guilty here): Country Genre: "Ah jus' luv me-Granny's cookin"; "Nothin sure looks good on ya" Rap: "Um not yo homie", "m-f this/that" Rock: "rock on", "party on" (is that rocker really on-fire?)
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Re:Is this possible with Words and Song????????
2010/04/23 21:11:43
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Look at the early Beatles songs - most all of them had an I You or Me in the title.
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Re:Is this possible with Words and Song????????
2010/04/24 01:00:06
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Bitflipper is right, it's the subject matter. It doesn't matter.(unless you are 16 and a little unsure). Jamessg1213 has some nice examples as well.
Try writing about something else or an event.
"Why do I always have to say love?
Come on come on
come on come on
come on come on
come on come on
Please Please me oh yeah,
like i please you."
sorry 'bout that...
quentin
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Re:Is this possible with Words and Song????????
2010/04/24 01:06:23
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Philip
Freeze, I'm sure you'll do it and it'll be great (I can't wait for your next song)!
IMHO, a song is oft a relationship: 1st, 2nd, and/or 3rd person. Your "ME-YOU-THEM- or I" terms might perhaps be inferred anyway ... in all songs. (2nd person may be the lessor of evils)
But, like Bit described, "love issues" are a problem (for all of us) ... it is easy to get self-absorbed: Pepto-bismalated, etc.
It certainly is tough to be the redeemer with all my whining rabbit trails (we're all guilty here):
Country Genre: "Ah jus' luv me-Granny's cookin"; "Nothin sure looks good on ya"
Rap: "Um not yo homie", "m-f this/that"
Rock: "rock on", "party on" (is that rocker really on-fire?)
CCM: "he died for me"
Its a cry'n shame ... all my selfishness!
Phillip, you forgot to mention the blues -
post edited by SongCraft - 2010/04/24 13:45:15
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Re:Is this possible with Words and Song????????
2010/05/06 18:59:41
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I knew my favourite POP synth duo would have come up with something.
PET SHOP BOYS
MINIMAL
White on white
light, sublime, subliminal
The void is clean
a cell but not for a criminal
Light and shade
Time and space
M. I. N. I. M. A. L.
Minimal Minimal
M. I. N. I. M. A. L.
Minimal Minimal
Draw a line
more is less is minimal
Form, earth, life
Decide something less decisional
Light and shade
Time and space
M. I. N. I. M. A. L.
Minimal Minimal
M. I. N. I. M. A. L.
Minimal Minimal
An empty box
An open space
A single thought
leaves a trace
An empty room
An open space
A single thought
leaves a trace
Light and shade
Time and space
M. I. N. I. M. A. L.
Minimal Minimal
M. I. N. I. M. A. L.
Minimal Minimal
Cheers
Steve.
I was faced with a choice at a difficult age Would I write a book? Or should I take to the stage? But in the back of my head I heard distant feet Che Guevara and Debussy to a disco beat
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