Advice for recording with this beginner setup

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Advice for recording with this beginner setup

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Windows Xp Pro
Intel(R)
Celleron(R) CPU 2.60GHz
Memory - 1016MB Ram
2.59GHz, 0.99 GB of RAM

SoundMax Audio Card



Program:

Using Sonar 8



Blue Microphone Icicle
The Icicle is a USB microphone interface that can be used with any computer and with any microphone--even condensers that require 48-volt phantom power. About the size and shape of an expensive cigar tube, Icicle starts with a low noise, studio quality pre-amplifier with gain control. It's a fully balanced analog design and feeds a 'plug n' play' 44.1kHz/16-bit CD-quality analog to digital converter.


MXL 990 Condenser Mic
Tube Type:
Pressure gradient condenser microphone
Diaphragm:
6 micron gold-sputtered
Frequency Response:
30 Hz - 20 kHz
Polar Pattern:
Cardioid
Sensitivity:
15mV/Pa
Impedance:
200 ohms
Equivalent Noise Level:
20dB (A-weighted IEC 268-4)
S/N Ratio:
80dB (Ref. 1Pa A-weighted)
Max SPL for .5% THD:
130 dB
Power Requirements:
Phantom Power 48V (+- 4V)
Current Consumption :
<3.0mA
Size:
60mm x 130mm / 2.36 in. x 5.11 in.
Weight:
1.2 lbs / 544.3g
Metal Finish :
Champagne

Mic Set-up
Center of Living Room, best position possible with-ought vocal booth. (Top floor apartment + Close to the street + No mic stand I got it hanging from a lamp and it moves slightly because the pop screen) It catches vibrations and wind from moving and all of course.


Recording:
Audio Driver Bit Depth = 16 Bit
Sampling = 44100
Buffers In Playback Queue = 2
Buffer Size = Safe - 342.9msec

*Yes I got updated drivers

Cheap Wireless headphones (mic pics up a little sound from them of course)

I got Allot of Waves Plug-ins and stock plug-ins that come with sonar 8. ( cant set a compressor before recording because it doesn't record right) * Been reading but dont know that much so Ive tried to use presets and even played with the settings but no success with pre recording efx. After recording vocals I can apply compressors, eq's and what not but Like I said if I apply to much Sonar DROPS_OUT.

* Dont have Monitors just basic computer speakers, headphones and ear buds. ( Earbuds work good for Waves: click, crackle and noise and plug-ins like that ) or am I wrong? Seems like those are the only thing there good for. My cheap usb mic pics up allot of pops(even with pop filter),cracks and what not thats why I use those plug-ins and they work good.

* I dont use synths ,midi tracks or instruments. Just Leased Instrumentals and vocals. I been practicing on trying to master the instrumental before I add it but  like I said Im new but Ive gotten allot better.

!!!Please do not reply with post saying you need this and you need that. I Know what I need but dont have the $ to get it right now, so I ask you as a artist with a passion for music not a hobbie, if you could give me any tips with this set-up until I can get a better one???










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    Bristol_Jonesey
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    Re:Advice for recording with this beginner setup 2010/04/30 04:26:57 (permalink)
    You've got a lot of Waves plugs but you can't afford a mic stand?
    How much were the plugs, as a matter of interest?

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    ntown
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    Re:Advice for recording with this beginner setup 2010/04/30 05:08:00 (permalink)
    Yea thats right. They weren't free if thats what your thinking. If you had any you would know they arn't  cheep. Guess I just spent my money unwisely.  But I also didnt pay 3 a piece for them so it seemed like a deal at the time, and whats the point of a mic stand with a cheap mic? Ill save the money from the mic stand and put it towards a better condenser...
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    Re:Advice for recording with this beginner setup 2010/04/30 07:11:54 (permalink)
    Firstly, delete your waves plugins, they won't help you. I'm serious, it's a waste of time to even read the word 'waves' until at the very least a year from now. Sonitus has everything you need right now. Re-read that, DO NOT USE ANY PLUG OTHER THAN SONITUS FOR A VERY LONG TIME. You won't get ANY benefit from anything else. You have so much to learn before quality plugs will make any noticeable difference. Don't worry about looking at the compressor yet. Learn the eq first. Jump straight to learning the sonitus eq. Then the reverb, then the compressor. Don't move on till you are getting a good understanding of it. You will WASTE your time otherwise. Most people learn this the hard way.

    But before the plugs, you need to learn how to record. Get out of the centre of the room, worst room modes right there (google it). Get yourself lots of blankets/mattresses and build a diy vocal booth. Single biggest benefit I made to my recordings when I was starting out. Don't make excuses. Just do it. It may take an hour to set up and and hour to pack up. Do it. You will learn from it. Do some more experiments. You have lots to learn. About as far as you are ready to go with this is the blankets. Get that happening first, then come back and give us your problems and we can help you go further. Experiment with some different mic positions to get an idea of how they affect the sound.

    Oh and record in 24 bits and you won't need a compressor when recording. But to be honest, 16 bits will be fine for the level you are at currently. And the fact that your computer is struggling with a few plugs means don't go to 24 bits yet.

    Get a second HD and put all your audio files on that one with your OS and installation on the first HD and that will hopefully fix your dropouts. Well, maybe, your soundcard is probably not going to get you much further after that. Infact, that's your problem. You can't actually get any further without a proper soundcard. Not really any way around this. Work on your playing, put the recording on hold and earn some cash for a cheap soundcard!


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    Re:Advice for recording with this beginner setup 2010/04/30 09:02:23 (permalink)
    I'll leave the Waves issue alone for now. With your current setup, you are probably going to have to give up on recording with plugins. I don't think your soundcard can handle it. So, having said that, work on getting a good recording level with what you have. Alot of us record "dry". No plugs. Try and find a good spot in your room to get whatever instrument you are recording to sound good. This requires experimentation. Moving around the room with your headphones on, and moving the mic around and playing or singing. No other way around this. Its how its done in pro studios, so common sense will tell you that in an untreated room, you've got to be creative and find the sweet spot for what you are trying to do.
    After you get some decent tracks recorded, you can start learning about effects and the proper way to use them. Presets are a decent starting point, but try and stay away from just putting them on a track and leaving it at that. Check out some info on "freezing" a track. This may help you with the dropouts when you have more than a couple of plugins on a project.

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    No How
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    Re:Advice for recording with this beginner setup 2010/04/30 09:28:23 (permalink)
    Welcome to Cakewalk where it's anything but...
     
    After reading your post i see you want no "have to gets"...but unless you get a better soundcard you're hands are tied........as far as I can see...and that may not be too far.
    As far as drop outs check out your buffer time in options>audio.  less buffer for recording, more buffer for playback.
    If it's too low you'll get drop out....especially with lots of processing going.
    post edited by No How - 2010/04/30 10:15:07

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    Re:Advice for recording with this beginner setup 2010/04/30 12:19:23 (permalink)
    Recording:
    Audio Driver Bit Depth = 16 Bit
    Sampling = 44100
    Buffers In Playback Queue = 2
    Buffer Size = Safe - 342.9msec

     
    Thats is all wrong!!!!!!! Your audio bit driver should be 24bit.
    Your buffer size is way way way too big. Your music's should be between 1ms to 25ms, give or take
     
    Your forgotten the most important piece of your set up. An audio sound card/interface!!!! Why would you use an onboard card. There not recommended for use. There drivers suck, maybe thats why your latency is over 300 secs. There A/D and D/A converters suck and they have no 1/4 inputs and outputs. For god sake, get yourself an audio sound card.
    Why skin on the most important part of your set-up?? I dont get it!!
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    Re:Advice for recording with this beginner setup 2010/04/30 13:12:49 (permalink)
    Matt -  started using sonitus when I first got sonar. I had to record a few songs though first to be able to experiment and learn the basics of mixing of coarse. Well actualy I started before that when I didnt have a mic just playing with acapellas and beats from other artist. Almost done with my vocal booth. Its a closet with cup holders on ever inch excepts the floor.

    Rsp - Found the sweet spot before I ever recorded a full song. I used the presets at first but not for long as I have a good ear and they were not cutting it so I been learning how to actually use them ever since. Ill check out freezing, Thank you.

    No how - I never said I dont want have to gets, of course I do who doesnt. And there not "have to gets" if I can record mix and master with my current set-up, there just upgrades that in turn produce better quality... Wait I take that back they are "have to gets" Im just in denial for the sake of my sanity



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    ntown
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    Re:Advice for recording with this beginner setup 2010/04/30 13:17:13 (permalink)
    I recorded vocals in stereo, but I should have recorded them in mono???
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    Re:Advice for recording with this beginner setup 2010/04/30 13:23:47 (permalink)
    I think you should leave the waves on the computer, but don't use them for a while. You need to learn some other stuff first.

    First thing I would do is buy a decent recording interface (aka a sound card ) that can handle the recording load. The factory card is not good....

    second, sell or return the USB mic...or at lest, don't use it for recording music. It acts like a second sound card in your system and will generally cause you problems when you get a real sound card. just get a good mic (if you already have the MXL 990 you're good to go) and plug it into the new interface.

    You asked for people not to say you need this or that.... but the truth is you do need a good sound card. Until you get one, leave the plugs out of your projects and use a mic that is plugged into the computer's sound card. It might not be the best but it will work just fine and it should give you good results with small multitrack projects.

    The clicking and popping and drop outs are coming from the sound card you currently are using. It can not handle what you're putting into it. The Wave plugs I'm sure are using up lots of CPU's and the card can not handle the real time processing. What you hear is the result. By not using the plugs, you will lessen the load and the music should play OK as long as you don't add to many tracks on the factory card.

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    Re:Advice for recording with this beginner setup 2010/04/30 14:02:54 (permalink)
    Yes, record vocals in mono.

    Basically, any signal coming from a microhpone should be recorded in mono.

    Synths, amp sims like the Pod etc CAN be recorded in stereo - that's up to you and an artistic decision based on what you want to hear.

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    Re:Advice for recording with this beginner setup 2010/04/30 14:16:30 (permalink)
    ntown




    No how - I never said I dont want have to gets, of course I do who doesnt. And there not "have to gets" if I can record mix and master with my current set-up, there just upgrades that in turn produce better quality... Wait I take that back they are "have to gets" Im just in denial for the sake of my sanity



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    Re:Advice for recording with this beginner setup 2010/05/01 20:19:10 (permalink)
    I agree.... the sound card interface was a necessity. The first thing I bought after the software. I mean like right after I bought it.... I knew better than to try to run it on a laptop card.

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    Re:Advice for recording with this beginner setup 2010/05/03 10:50:33 (permalink)
    'Not trying to promote cw, but their cheapest (~$100) "UA" sound interfaces (ASIO) are great for beginner-intermediate recordings ... laptops and desktops. 

    (Oh dear!  When will reputed laptop manufacturers ever learn to integrate ASIO sound cards?)

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