Compressor settings just to catch peaks ?

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2010/05/02 12:14:50 (permalink)

Compressor settings just to catch peaks ?

Just got a new DBX rackmount that I'm using as insert on my preamp to catch peak transients...I need a little help with the setting should be just to catch the peaks...

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    Re:Compressor settings just to catch peaks ? 2010/05/02 12:17:20 (permalink)
    fast attacks to catch peaks , star at 4:1 , but be very easy on the treashold as you got a fast attack or you will kill the transient and have the pumping effect ....the release depends on your speed (tempo)

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    Re:Compressor settings just to catch peaks ? 2010/05/02 12:18:57 (permalink)
    Thanks !

    Any charts or guides for Release = Tempo ?
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    Re:Compressor settings just to catch peaks ? 2010/05/02 12:22:18 (permalink)
    this the most critical value to set up....it's the time the compressor go back to it's initial state so you have to synchronise it with the material , if you're compressing snare for exemple , the release must be shorter than the time between each snare hit !! for a whole mix use your ear .....

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    Re:Compressor settings just to catch peaks ? 2010/05/02 12:29:25 (permalink)
    Since all peaks are different, why not learn about a compressor sop you can set it up to catch your peaks. Her is some info about it. Because what works for one song may not work for another song.
    http://audio-mastering-mixing.com/FAQ___Q_A.html#22

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    Re:Compressor settings just to catch peaks ? 2010/05/02 13:21:44 (permalink)
    If you are just trying to use it to protect you from clipping, in which case it should almost never be doing any compression at all, set it up as follows (you still might clip a bit as the comp's attack is never going to be fast enough to catch the beginning of the transient):

    Turn ratio all the way up to the max.
    Fastest possible attack.
    Turn off "over easy".
    Turn threshold all the way up and lower it only enough to compress peaks that would otherwise clip.

    OTOH, if you want to hear it compress all of the peaks, follow the advice above - lower ratio, somewhat lower threshold, "over easy" on/off to taste.
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    Re:Compressor settings just to catch peaks ? 2010/05/02 13:27:14 (permalink)
    Any charts or guides for Release = Tempo ?

    A simple formula to translate tempo to quarter-note intervals: divide the tempo (BPM) into 60,000. For example, at 120BPM, a quarter note is 500 milliseconds (60000 / 120 = 500).

    The sum of attack time plus release time should be less than the shortest interval between notes. So if you're compressing a snare that hits once per measure, those hits are going to be 2 seconds (4 quarter notes @ 500ms = 2 seconds to a measure) apart at 120BPM, so the compressor's release + attack time should be less than 2 seconds. But if it's a high-hat playing 8th notes, at 120BPM there will be only 250ms between hits, so the compressor's release time should be less than 250ms.





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    Re:Compressor settings just to catch peaks ? 2010/05/02 17:02:37 (permalink)
    The sum of attack time plus release time should be less than the shortest interval between notes. So if you're compressing a snare that hits once per measure, those hits are going to be 2 seconds (4 quarter notes @ 500ms = 2 seconds to a measure) apart at 120BPM, so the compressor's release + attack time should be less than 2 seconds. But if it's a high-hat playing 8th notes, at 120BPM there will be only 250ms between hits, so the compressor's release time should be less than 250ms.

     
    That is one of the absolute clearest statements I've ever read about how to handle release times.
    Thanks for reminding me of this approach, Dave!
     
     

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    Re:Compressor settings just to catch peaks ? 2010/05/02 17:53:37 (permalink)
    Yea,. Its because id the release is not set short enough, it will compress the quieter notes
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    Re:Compressor settings just to catch peaks ? 2010/05/02 18:29:37 (permalink)
    Theres no magic setting, its source dependant. You really need to get into the nuts and bolts of how they work and you will be much happier with the results.
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    Re:Compressor settings just to catch peaks ? 2010/05/02 18:31:14 (permalink)
    I recommend this
    http://www.groove3.com/str/daw-plug-ins-explained.html

    Its for plugins but hardware compressors are the same settings wise etc
     
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    Re:Compressor settings just to catch peaks ? 2010/05/02 20:55:43 (permalink)
    I don't get the advice to set the release to the tempo....Seems pretty rare that an instruments transient portion of the envelope is actually tied to tempo in any real way...maybe when pumping sync based sequences or techno..what ever that is....... If you're trying to only catch transients... they will typically be less than 50 ms... no matter what the instrument is you're trying to tame. That'll be a fraction of any usable tempo setting.

    Tempo based settings is a great idea for normal compression though. Great advise for keeping any short percussive based release settings less than the typical 1/4 note value for that instrument, based on tempo.
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    Re:Compressor settings just to catch peaks ? 2010/05/02 21:35:14 (permalink)
    I don't get the advice to set the release to the tempo

    I hope I didn't contribute to that by making it sound like the ideal release setting is related to the interval between notes. To be clear, one should not set the release time to the tempo under most circumstances (the possible exception being when you want the compressor to become another rhythm instrument). The tempo merely determines the maximum release setting, beyond which the compressor will likely have a detrimental - and unpredictable - effect on the sound. As you correctly pointed out, when the goal is merely flattening transients, then you will probably want much shorter release times.


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    Re:Compressor settings just to catch peaks ? 2010/05/03 10:31:18 (permalink)
    Release is like those double-triple negatives I never completely understand.  So I always err on shorter release times (assuming peaks are just a few milliseconds at most)

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    Re:Compressor settings just to catch peaks ? 2010/05/03 12:13:28 (permalink)
    Why not use a limiter for the peaks?

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    Re:Compressor settings just to catch peaks ? 2010/05/03 18:37:26 (permalink)
    a limiter is a compressor.
    a compressor CAN be a limiter.

    some compressors are better at limiting than others.

    DBX is not known for having the fastest attack times.
    they are typically used more for color.



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    Re:Compressor settings just to catch peaks ? 2010/05/03 19:21:07 (permalink)
    My ex has the fastest attack time I've ever seen? She should build and market a compressor...

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    Re:Compressor settings just to catch peaks ? 2010/05/03 21:24:06 (permalink)
    Robbie,
     Are you working on a slow decay resulting from your ex's fast attack?

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    Re:Compressor settings just to catch peaks ? 2010/05/03 22:23:36 (permalink)
    Yes... Unfortunately, ever since she "clipped me?" I've had a "distorted" sense of reality :-( And had to .wav bye bye to any sense of feeling "normalized?" 

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    Re:Compressor settings just to catch peaks ? 2010/05/04 00:57:18 (permalink)
    hahaha nice
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