Recording electric guitar; getting that generic punk rock tone?

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2010/05/06 21:09:08 (permalink)

Recording electric guitar; getting that generic punk rock tone?

I just recently picked up my LTD and started messing around with GR3, as I usually record acoustically.

I found that recording the same part twice and hard panning produces a MUCH better results almost always, but my problem now is just creating a generic tone that I thought would be so easy

An example would be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xJdHkQkBTo

Its simple, slight  grunge effect but not too much. Every effect Ive tried on GR3, the grunge is ALWAYS overpowering. The video has the exact effect that im trying to mimic, I thought it would be easy to make because its so overused in alternative music today :|

If anyone has any ideas on how to produce an electric sound quality like this, im all ears, and thank youuu 
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    dlogan
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    Re:Recording electric guitar; getting that generic punk rock tone? 2010/05/07 09:32:53 (permalink)
    I'm not familiar with GR3 - I use Line6 GearBox - so I'm not sure how well this may or may not translate, but here's my advice...

    There's really not much "effect" on the guitar on this video, just getting the right tone. I would start out by adjusting the pickup selector, choosing the right pick gauge, put on new strings, etc. to get a good tone out of your instrument. Then focus on finding the right (simulated) amp / speaker combo that gets you as close as possible to the tone you're looking for, including adjusting the drive and levels on the (simulated) amp. Don't just scroll through the presets and pick one, although it can be helpful to find a preset that's in the ballpark and start tweaking from there. The Line6 also has options for the position of the (simulated) mic on the (simulated) cabinet, which also has a big influence on the tone. Then you could add some stomp boxes like a classic distortion in moderation.

    There's really not a magic plugin effect that you just throw on your guitar to get that sound. I wish it was that easy! But spending a 1/2 hour getting the right tone up front will save you lots of headaches trying to fix it in the mix later.
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    Re:Recording electric guitar; getting that generic punk rock tone? 2010/05/07 09:54:22 (permalink)
    If it helps any, that sounds like your basic Les Paul through a Mesa Triple Rec.

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    Re:Recording electric guitar; getting that generic punk rock tone? 2010/05/07 10:40:28 (permalink)
    if you want real tones, and real feel, gotta use real stuff.

    get a good tube amp, put it in a good sounding room, put all the knobs on 10 except the preamp gain, put that on about 4, put a 57 on it, and crank it up.

    instant generic punk sound.

    once you start messin' with the tones and gain structures, you're refining it, and it ain't punk no more.


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    Re:Recording electric guitar; getting that generic punk rock tone? 2010/05/07 10:50:10 (permalink)
    That's punk?

    To me it sounds like the rhythm guitar has been copied to another track, both tracks then panned hard L/R and a few milliseconds of delay added to one of them.

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    Re:Recording electric guitar; getting that generic punk rock tone? 2010/05/07 12:06:03 (permalink)
    For punk, what you do is go to the pawn shop, buy whatever they have on hand, and crank it up.

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    Re:Recording electric guitar; getting that generic punk rock tone? 2010/05/07 13:25:39 (permalink)
    Mikey, here is some guitar tips that can be used for all genre's. Ther lower part is for mic'ing so ignore that. But the top part is a good read.

    http://audio-mastering-mixing.com/FAQ___Q_A.html#30

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    Re:Recording electric guitar; getting that generic punk rock tone? 2010/05/07 21:02:11 (permalink)
    That sounds like a good ole tube amp to me, doubt you'll mimic it well with G3 man.  You're looking for that hi distortion mid-scooped sound...
    Give the eq that "California Smile"   Bass at like 9, Mid at 3, highs at 10.

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    Re:Recording electric guitar; getting that generic punk rock tone? 2010/05/07 23:19:52 (permalink)
    @CJays thanks for the link! I really like the tips on it.

    im thinking about ditching guitar rig, and just plugging my LTD into one of my pedals then into the mixer.

    maybe ill try micing my amp, but I dont think ill get a good quality recording with two MCA SP1 condenser mics :|
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    Re:Recording electric guitar; getting that generic punk rock tone? 2010/05/07 23:25:07 (permalink)
    Your welcome. Ive worked on on those links and it's nice to that you enjoyed it. Very cool
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    Re:Recording electric guitar; getting that generic punk rock tone? 2010/05/08 18:22:16 (permalink)
    Now im seriously considering micing my amp, and im doing a little reasearch on it now.

    Would I still record 2 takes, and hard pan one left and right, even if im using 2 condenser mics to mic it?

    guess its all trial and error haha, but if anyone could give a newbie some tips id appreciate it
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    Re:Recording electric guitar; getting that generic punk rock tone? 2010/05/08 22:06:58 (permalink)
    I don't know the mic you're referring to very well, and I'm not sure what amp you have.  BUT...the best place to start would be with a single mic on a single speaker.  This takes multi-mic phase problems out of your equation.

    There are many different mic techniques, but a single mic on a single speaker is by far the easiest.

    Yes...a track panned L and a track panned R will give you a very cool sound if you're looking for a large stereo guitar track.  I actually do that quite often for rhythm guitar tracks.

    No time like the present to start learning how!  Good luck...and have fun with it.  Post samples of what you're getting so we can all hear how you're doing!

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