Session Drummer 3 Outputs - How Are They Assigned?

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2010/05/13 22:36:22 (permalink)

Session Drummer 3 Outputs - How Are They Assigned?

All the tutorials state that SD3 has 12 outputs, but don't explain how they're assigned.
 
So, do I need to keep the first 12 tracks available? How do I set the input of an audio track to accept the output of SD3. I need to take most of the drums to indivdual tracks and I don't understand the how to assign them.
 
Can someone point me in the direction please?
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    Susan G
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    Re:Session Drummer 3 Outputs - How Are They Assigned? 2010/05/13 22:47:56 (permalink)
    Hi Abbie-

    When you insert SD3, check "All Synth Audio Outputs" in the Insert Soft Synth Options dialog, and SONAR will set up the tracks for you automatically.

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    Re:Session Drummer 3 Outputs - How Are They Assigned? 2010/05/13 22:50:45 (permalink)
    After you do what Susan says, you need to go into the session drummers mixer section and change each drum channel form 1 to 12. Kick = 1, Snare = 2 and so on
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    Re:Session Drummer 3 Outputs - How Are They Assigned? 2010/05/13 22:51:25 (permalink)
    EDIT:  HA!  Look how fast this Forum moves.  While I was typing, both Susan and CJ also swooped in with answers.  You should be pretty well set now, Abbie.

    I have Session Drummer 2, but from what I've seen, the architecture is rather the same for SD3.  With the caveat that things may have changed, here's what you do with SD2:

    --Load a kit by clicking the arrow in the left hand corner next to Pad.  Alternately, you could load individual instruments to build a kit.

    --Under the graphic for each part of the kit, the default number of "1" appears.  That means all the parts of the kit have been assigned to audio out 1.

    --Click your mouse on each of the numbers and drag upwards to re-assign each part of the kit to any of the 8 audio outs available.

    --The audio tracks for SD can be inserted automatically in your Sonar project when you first used the Insert Synth dialogue.  Just be sure to ask for "All synth audio outs," and then the 8 audio tracks you need will be there in your project, already connected to the outs from the module.

    Details may differ between SD2 and SD3, but I think the above will get you going.

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    Re:Session Drummer 3 Outputs - How Are They Assigned? 2010/05/13 22:57:25 (permalink)
    Look how fast this Forum moves.  While I was typing, both Susan and CJ also swooped in with answers


    Hey, I need someone to proof read my postings....LOL

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    Re:Session Drummer 3 Outputs - How Are They Assigned? 2010/05/14 02:02:39 (permalink)
    Abbie,

    If you're not able to get everything working properly, there's a link to Cakewalk's video tutorial for SD3 in my "signature"...

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    Re:Session Drummer 3 Outputs - How Are They Assigned? 2010/05/14 10:12:04 (permalink)
    One thing that is pretty enoying with SD3's routing is that the handclaps get on the same channel as the snare. I can't really see why as the two needs pretty different processing most of the time...

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    Re:Session Drummer 3 Outputs - How Are They Assigned? 2010/05/14 17:01:27 (permalink)
    Legion


    One thing that is pretty enoying with SD3's routing is that the handclaps get on the same channel as the snare. I can't really see why as the two needs pretty different processing most of the time...
    Hi Legion-

    Can't you just change the Output channel for the claps in the SD3 Mixer?

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    Re:Session Drummer 3 Outputs - How Are They Assigned? 2010/05/14 17:11:28 (permalink)
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    Legion


    One thing that is pretty enoying with SD3's routing is that the handclaps get on the same channel as the snare. I can't really see why as the two needs pretty different processing most of the time...
    Hi Legion-

    Can't you just change the Output channel for the claps in the SD3 Mixer?

    -Susan


    The instruments displayed in SD are the main part of the kit most often needed, but there are other instruments associated with the same slots on different MIDI notes.  Handclaps are there on the same audio channel as the snare(s).

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    Re:Session Drummer 3 Outputs - How Are They Assigned? 2010/05/14 17:21:45 (permalink)
    Hi Randy-
    The instruments displayed in SD are the main part of the kit most often needed, but there are other instruments associated with the same slots on different MIDI notes. Handclaps are there on the same audio channel as the snare(s).

    Oh, I see what you're talking about. I just added handclaps as an extra instrument to one of the pads, so maybe that's a workaround unless they're already fully loaded.

    Thanks-

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    Re:Session Drummer 3 Outputs - How Are They Assigned? 2010/05/14 17:22:10 (permalink)
    Legion


    One thing that is pretty enoying with SD3's routing is that the handclaps get on the same channel as the snare. I can't really see why as the two needs pretty different processing most of the time...


    One option is to create a new .SFZ file using the handclaps .WAVs but assigning them to one of the percussion pads...It wouldn't be that difficult to do...You can't change the note assignments of the pads, but you CAN create custom .SFZ files that make SD3 more flexible...

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    Re:Session Drummer 3 Outputs - How Are They Assigned? 2010/05/14 17:53:53 (permalink)
    You can't change the note assignments of the pads

    I didn't know that! Guess I should shut up about SD3 until I actually use it!

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    Re:Session Drummer 3 Outputs - How Are They Assigned? 2010/05/14 17:55:27 (permalink)
    Can't do it in SD2, either...*LOL*

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    Re:Session Drummer 3 Outputs - How Are They Assigned? 2010/05/14 18:01:45 (permalink)
    Can't do it in SD2, either...*LOL*

    Never used that, either!

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    Re:Session Drummer 3 Outputs - How Are They Assigned? 2010/05/14 18:02:50 (permalink)
    Then what are you using?? *LOL*

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    Re:Session Drummer 3 Outputs - How Are They Assigned? 2010/05/14 19:06:26 (permalink)
    Here ya go, Susan - AND - it's "Computer Controlled!" 


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    Re:Session Drummer 3 Outputs - How Are They Assigned? 2010/05/14 19:30:17 (permalink)
    Hi Papa-
    Then what are you using?? *LOL*

    Mostly Jamstix 3 right now, but it's just recently out and that's typical of me when I get a new toy! I like the new GUI and and added features, and the new stock sounds are awfully good considering the whole package price. It can subhost Superior Drummer 2 (my main softsynth for drums) or drive it via MIDI in a separate track. Both JS3 and SD2 let you make pretty much whatever MIDI note assignments you want.

    @Randy: I think my first drum machine was a Roland, but the one I remember better for some reason (probably just had it longer) was a Korg DDD-5:



    I had a lot of fun with that -- thanks for reminding me!

    But enough about me -- where's Abbie?

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    Re:Session Drummer 3 Outputs - How Are They Assigned? 2010/05/14 19:47:47 (permalink)
    Susan G

    But enough about me -- where's Abbie?

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    Re:Session Drummer 3 Outputs - How Are They Assigned? 2010/05/20 11:32:28 (permalink)
    Is there any way to route each drum instrument to its own track after the initial synth setup screen?  When I use the "All Synth Audio Outputs" option at the start it makes the Step Sequencer unusable due to the fact that the instruments are no longer all in one channel.
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    Re:Session Drummer 3 Outputs - How Are They Assigned? 2010/07/30 11:44:37 (permalink)
    I LOVE THIS POST!!! Spent Days reviewing Youtube clips and the like trying to find this simple answer to route the instruments in SD3 to individual tracks.  I didn't want to mix/edit with just a Step Sequencer pattern. Thank you!
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    Re:Session Drummer 3 Outputs - How Are They Assigned? 2010/07/30 12:24:22 (permalink)
    Legion


    One thing that is pretty enoying with SD3's routing is that the handclaps get on the same channel as the snare. I can't really see why as the two needs pretty different processing most of the time...


    Not nearly as annoying as having handclaps in music. Are you doing "Hooked On" music? Ewwwwww!

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    Re:Session Drummer 3 Outputs - How Are They Assigned? 2011/03/31 19:13:12 (permalink)
    I followed this tutorial (inserted soft-synth as simple instrument track) but I'm not getting any sound output from SD3.  Any ideas would be appreciated.
     
    http://www.cakewalk.com/support/kb/reader.aspx?ID=200909252
     
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    Re:Session Drummer 3 Outputs - How Are They Assigned? 2011/04/01 02:49:04 (permalink)
    If you've already added SD2 or SD3 as a synth with only a stereo output, this is what you do to get individual tracks on for each drum/cymbal.

    1. Open Session Drum and go to the Mixer view. At the bottom of each instrument (below) the fader you'll see a "1". Set every instrument to have a different value. I just start left to right - 1, 2, 3, etc.
    2. Insert new audio tracks
    3. Change the input of each audio track to be inputs from the Session Drummer synth. Inputs here are in stereo pairs. 1 on the SD mixer is Stereo 1 and 2 in the input list. This numbering scheme is annoying as they don't clearly match up (2 in the SD mixer is Stereo 3 and 4 on the track input. That's just dumb.)

    The other thing I don't like about Session Drummer is that they seem to have printed the overhead mix onto each instrument for a sound set (dry, rock, pop, etc.) Since the overheads are in stereo this now means each drum track output from the synth is in stereo. If I were really recording drums all channels would be mono and panned appropriately. To me there is just something wrong about having a stereo track for the kick or the snare. Some plugins use twice as much CPU for stereo tracks even if the actual audio recorded is dual mono (the same signal for both left and right.)

    All that said, I've gotten some great sounds from SD2 and SD3 by routing everything to individual tracks and producing them as if they were real drum tracks. This is especially true using the kits that are drier.

    Peace,

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    Re:Session Drummer 3 Outputs - How Are They Assigned? 2011/04/01 14:22:10 (permalink)
    Hey Tunes, thanks for the response.  I finally got it working.  I'm using a MIDI drum machine as a controller, I just need to know how to adjust the sensitivity via Sonar and/or SD3.  Thanks
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