Best VO settings?

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2010/05/16 18:15:23 (permalink)

Best VO settings?

Hi,
I"m an inexperienced Sonar Producer 8.5 user who just got a couple of voice over spots to do in my home studio. I'm recording the voice over myself, but am having issues with eq and compression. I'm using a Neuman TLM-103 mic am new at this so just wanted to hear from anyone on this subject.
Are there any kind of "tricks" that I can use. The spots are :30 seconds each and I'm initialy having trouble balancing the volume of the music and the voice over. The client first thinks is too loud, then too low and I'm going a bit nuts as I thought it sounded good the first time I did it.
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    Philip
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    Re:Best VO settings? 2010/05/16 18:41:03 (permalink)
    Please elborate a bit ... for this excellent thread.

    VO dubbing ... if you can get some/most of the original vox out?
    VO dubbing ... backing vocs?
    VO dubbing ... on top of original vox?:

    Some considerations:

    Several 'good' vox takes

    pitch corrected with Melodyne

    formant may be changed a percent or 2 or more (of a semi-note) to help with comb-filtering (vox-phase doublings) ... I'd experiment several times.

    EQ HPF at 200+/- and roll-off at 10KHz (perhaps)

    Compression amounts depend on moody dynamics and such you may 'passionately' sing.

    High compression (up to -30dcbs threshold) above 0.8Hz for steady ... above the mix vox
    But client may prefer more moody dynamics (low compression) that aren't in-your-face.

    Reduce some EQ at 600Hz +/- and/or 1000Hz+/-

    Wet plate Reverb buss-send with 50 msecs pre-delay ... with just barely the amount of reverb you'd desire.


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    JGarvey
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    Re:Best VO settings? 2010/05/16 19:12:08 (permalink)
    Thanks, I'm gonna try some of your settings. At least now I have a starting point.
     
    I was given short clips of Sister Slegde (We are Family) and some other artists that are on the bill of an oldies show. My job is record the copy and mix in some applause and other tasteful sound effects without overdoing it.
     
    The client is happy with my reading and my voice in general, but the EQ of my voice AND the mix of volumes (voice vs music) is what he's not happy with.
     
    I'm looking forward to trying your settings, and yes, I have Melodyne so I didn't think of that either.
     
    I remember seeing a time compression feature in Sonar, I think, that would help me "fit" the vo should I need to get it all in the :30 seconds. I'll look again.
     
    Thanks again.
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    Re:Best VO settings? 2010/05/17 08:40:01 (permalink)
    If you are recording the VO part, why would you need to use time compression?

    I would record the vocal speaking part without any reverb or compression.... in other words dry.

    Then I would use just the slightest amount of reverb to give it a bit of space. Just enough compression to level out the lows and highs a bit for a very consistant vocal level. Assuming you recorded it correctly, you should not need much. Since the vox is the main thing here...get it sounding good without the BGM playing.

    EQ.... for spoken word, you obviously want the words to be clear and articulate. I'd cut the lows below 80 to 100 hz, and add or cut the mids and highs according to the needs for the voice. Each voice is totally different and what works for my voice might not work for yours. Cutting the lows as I mentioned is a pretty safe bet for most voices. The rest will depend on the voice.

    As far as levels between BGM ( music) and the voice.... listen closely to what other radio spots do. Use envelopes on the volume for the tracks.... I'm assuming you have maybe one music track and you are recording one track for voice and maybe another for the sound FX.

    Be careful with the special sound FX... do not over do it. Same goes for the voice fx and reverb. most spots have a clear, clean voice. FX can easily distract the listener from the message, so be careful in that area.

    Envelope each track for volume. set the starting levels. When the speaker is speaking, pull the music level down so the voice is clear. I would think you would set the voice as the main aspect of this project. Get it sounding right (eq/comp) and set it's level. Aside from slight enveloping it will probably stay the same for the entire spot. only envelope the noise from the vox track. 

    The music and FX will be enveloped up and down as needed, around the vox. You do not want the BGM to sound like someone is riding the faders however. It should be at a smooth natural BGM level.

    I hope this helps..... if it was my project, that's how I would approach it.

    It sounds like the client might be a bit picky... trying to play engineer after the fact... voice too loud or not loud enough...... so I'd set it where it was clearly heard, and every word was understandable. If the client then commented the voice was too loud, I would reply in a friendly manner that "the message is the important thing....you are playing for the radio/TV time, and you need to have your message heard clearly, your goal is not to pay hundreds of dollars for playing music but to get the message to your customers"  then let them decide.....another option........  You could also make several copies with varying vocal levels if you think that would be more to the customer's liking. Let them choose the one they like best.
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    Re:Best VO settings? 2010/05/17 09:32:32 (permalink)
    I thiink you ought to look into ducking.

    Insert the Sonitus Compressor into the music track. Insert a send on the vox track and route it to the compressor. Raising the level of the send will control the level you duck the music.

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    Re:Best VO settings? 2010/05/17 09:40:43 (permalink)
    Thanks everyone.

    Yeah, the time compression statement was just me thinking out loud as it's something I probably should understand how to use for the future.

    Yes, multiple versions of the mix for the client sounds good, AND, using volume envelopes (which I forgot are available) would speed things up and not destroy my original wav volumes.

    I remember Ducking from 20 years ago, an will now see if it's helpful, although with all of the control of the enevelopes I'd have to compare the workflow feel.

    Thanks again.
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