rotaholic
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Getting rid of pick up noise?
Hi, I have been recording myself a bit lately electric bass and guitar etc and when I sit at the comptuer I get heaps of electrical noise, hum etc come through the pic ups. I can easily fix this by moving two metres back but then I cant reach the keyboard to hit record lol. I cant move my pc, because I just built a soundproof enclosure for it so it kind of has to stay under my desk for now. Is there any way of shielding my PC enclosure? Its funny I can sit at the desk and hold the guitar up, backwards and to the left and get no noise but cant play it like that haha. I know theres easy options like wireless/bluetooth keyboard mouse and I could just move back two metres but I really like sitting at the desk with the monitors and the monitors (audio and visual) right there. Plus being so fussy everything takes 50 takes before I move on so I need to be on top of things. Any ideas?
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Jamz0r
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Re:Getting rid of pick up noise?
2010/05/21 00:46:13
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Are you using an old CRT monitor? LCD monitors shouldn't cause any hum.
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rotaholic
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Re:Getting rid of pick up noise?
2010/05/21 01:20:15
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LCD, the system has no hum by itself, only when I arm a track and have the preamp up pretty hot and the guitar pickups pointing at the pc. Playing tracks back and listening to music the system is dead quiet and no hum noise at all.
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Jamz0r
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Re:Getting rid of pick up noise?
2010/05/21 02:13:30
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I'm talking about the hum your guitar makes when it's close to the monitor (screen). If you have an LCD, it shouldn't hum at all unless you put your guitar right up close to it, which would cause a very deep humming sound. Keeping my guitar 2 or 3 feet away from both of my LCDs gives me silence. Are you using single coil pickups?
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papa2005
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Re:Getting rid of pick up noise?
2010/05/21 02:18:18
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You don't need to shield your PC enclosure...You need to shield the electronic components of your guitars. CLICK HERE for more info. EDIT: And make sure you're using quality cable throughout your system (including the guitar cables)...
post edited by papa2005 - 2010/05/21 02:19:36
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rotaholic
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Re:Getting rid of pick up noise?
2010/05/21 03:07:16
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Yeah Im using a fender lead II, should try my les paul and see if it is the same. Its not a big issue I can sit 2 metres back and get someone else to hit record etc but I thought there might be an easy fix
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NoKey
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Re:Getting rid of pick up noise?
2010/05/21 03:41:48
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Hi Rotaholic, If moving away solves it but then the keyboard reaching is a problem, I would suggest using a wireless keyboard and mouse. I use the Microsoft Media Desktop 1000 for like a year or so and am very happy with it. Besides likely solving the problem, it has many other advantages, like programable keys, and it has a nice key layout and sculptured shape, and the two things were like $40 on a local store. The batteries last like 6 months or so.
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Bristol_Jonesey
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Re:Getting rid of pick up noise?
2010/05/21 04:03:22
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Good idea NoKey - but I haven't had much luck with wirless keyboards for one reason or another. Solution - grab yourself a keyboard extension cable - minimal cost and you can drag it anywhere you want in your studio. (This is also a good way of learning keyboard shortcuts - I can now select/arm/mute/solo/record tracks remotely without using the mouse) I do this all the time when I'm recording myself - guitar/vocals etc.
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Re:Getting rid of pick up noise?
2010/05/21 09:59:28
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distance is your friend in this issue. Since I moved to laptops and LCD monitors, hum has not been an issue. good cables are important. the gain you are using on the amp will also play a factor. I have done some high gain guitar recording where the noise (hum and such) was audible. To get the tone I was looking for, there were no options. In the audio track, when the guitar was playing, the hum and noise is hidden quite effectively by the guitar itself. However, in the silence between the licks, the hum is very evident. I solved this by enveloping the track thereby eliminating the hum by pulling the faders down with envelopes.... audio playback just gave me the guitars .... no noise. maybe that would work..... after all, who cares what you hear in the studio.... it's what you hear or don't hear in the final mix that is important.
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Re:Getting rid of pick up noise?
2010/05/21 11:38:13
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Jamz0r Are you using an old CRT monitor? LCD monitors shouldn't cause any hum. I've seen LCDs cause guitar hum. The only way to know for sure is to turn it off. I've also had a LCD power supply (lump on a cord type) that injected hum and noise into the AC line. I had to use a 3 to 2 pin AC adapter to get it to stop that. On a side note the new Fender noiseless pickups are great.
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Re:Getting rid of pick up noise?
2010/05/21 22:19:25
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I use an old Fender Strat and have a similar problem with picking up noise. My solution is to set up a punch-in range and a wider loop range, then start recording a few to several measures before the punch-in range starts. I also set-up the metronome to count out a couple measures before recording. Those two things gives me plenty of time to move to a better location. If the first take is messed up because I was too slow, no big deal, I just get it on the next pass of the loop. I didn't notice what version of Cakewalk you're using, but I used to do this with Home Studio but now use Sonar Studio which is MUCH easier w.r.t. editing multiple takes.
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Re:Getting rid of pick up noise?
2010/05/25 16:31:59
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Someone already mentioned shielding the control cavities, which should help with the single coil pups. A noise gate is also useful, but it DOES alter the tone. Do you have any fluorescent lights on your desk? That can contribute to the problem. But you also had a good idea: try out your LP in the same location. If that hums, it's probably not just the pups
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Re:Getting rid of pick up noise?
2010/05/25 17:39:19
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I sometimes have a problem with hum, but it's usually when I don't know the words well. Worse than that, I'm on the flight path for a local airport. They come over at maybe a couple thousand feet. So I get the noise from the engines (mostly small planes) which if it happens while I'm doing an acoustic recording, I have to redo it. What's worse is when I hear the pilots in my headphones... If you can't fix it, you could always use envelops with sharpish edges?
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Re:Getting rid of pick up noise?
2010/05/26 20:51:02
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Strats are the worst at this. The spray on shielding in the electronics cavities works pretty well. You'll still always have some noise though with single coils. Rather than resort to humbuckers (and every so-called noiseless single coil pickup I've so far seen has consisted of stacked coils even though technically only one of them is active, and I don't care much for them) I just do my best with the recording and hit the track with some NR wherever there isn't enough signal to mask the noise.
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Philip
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Re:Getting rid of pick up noise?
2010/05/27 10:08:36
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What don't you like about humbuckers; there's no turning back for me? Admittedly, perhaps not as moody/screeechy as some purist strat pups? (Which I can't handle in my cronie state) But, If you like the recent Les Paul humbucking tone/sound ... its a beautiful thing, no?
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ohhey
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Re:Getting rid of pick up noise?
2010/05/27 10:14:58
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Philip What don't you like about humbuckers; there's no turning back for me? Admittedly, perhaps not as moody/screeechy as some purist strat pups? (Which I can't handle in my cronie state) But, If you like the recent Les Paul humbucking tone/sound ... its a beautiful thing, no? For me it depends on how many effects I'm using. Humbuckers sound good with light effects but fail to cut through when you get a lot of effects on the signal. But really each song just seems to call for one sound or the other. I trend to pick humbuckers more for rhythm and single coils more the lead for some reason, don't know why.
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Re:Getting rid of pick up noise?
2010/05/27 11:03:54
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you need a quality noiseless single coil, like a Bill Lawrence L200, or a L280 like what i use, or a L-45. lots of choices, all noiseless, all incredible pickups, all cheap.
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Philip
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Re:Getting rid of pick up noise?
2010/05/27 11:30:06
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Admittedly, I've never progressed as well as Ohhey and Mississippi, and most of you, with electric guitar. Others here use the humbuckers for electric rhythm, too. I recorded with them for lead dist guitar ... for the 'siren mellow' tone I've become so addicted to. (Actually, I have better luck with acoustic guitars) Some recording tips for killing hum: 1) cardiod (if condensor) mic dampened for 'closeness' 2) mic HPF'd at 80 3) Pull back on pre-amp gain (during direct recording) ... increase levels instead (this may hurt bass and dist tones though) 4) Multiple takes/mics (as per the Op) ... cabinet or amp aimed toward center of room. 5) Mic slightly askew ... not too far from speaker (unless room reverb is helping ... which it usually doesn't help in my 10x20 messy room) 6) Signal EQ (if feasible): Bass (150 Hz) and Treble (20-32kHz) are my personal culprits: I never increase the bass above mid-normal and always reduce the treble hum. I suppose some rooms can handle treble. From experience, I leave those extremes alone, period. 7) Single mic only. No hum is more foul than phasy comb distortions or stereo mic recording of instruments. 8) Record 24 bit depth and 44.1kHz sampling rate ... a happy medium for capturing dynamic variations (with less hum? I don't know). 9) I seem to have luck to record with both naked mic (AKG 414 condensor) and speaker both on the floor-rug (without bass traps) ... where humming fields seem to be absorbed better and early reflections are dampened. (that may be an abomination to some of you)
post edited by Philip - 2010/05/27 11:34:41
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NoKey
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Re:Getting rid of pick up noise?
2010/05/28 03:50:44
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Bristol_Jonesey Good idea NoKey - but I haven't had much luck with wirless keyboards for one reason or another. Solution - grab yourself a keyboard extension cable - minimal cost and you can drag it anywhere you want in your studio. (This is also a good way of learning keyboard shortcuts - I can now select/arm/mute/solo/record tracks remotely without using the mouse) I do this all the time when I'm recording myself - guitar/vocals etc. I bought a wirelss kbd and mouse from eBay before they were available locally, and I was happy with it. But then it died a year or so ago. So I went to the local computer store and saw the Microsft 1000 at a very reasonable price, with the benefit of getting a refund..After this many months of use, and on this limitted experience, I have no hesitation to say that it is a good product, and I am keyboard picky to the point that on another laptop I use an old IBM-AT type keyboard, but I will likely replace it too with the wireless. What I liked about the 1000 is that it has practically the same layout of the classic IBM keyboards.
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