Old trick forgotten..... Guitar/instrument attack

Author
267Rufus
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 30
  • Joined: 2010/03/01 17:09:22
  • Location: Midlands UK
  • Status: offline
2010/05/22 06:32:06 (permalink)

Old trick forgotten..... Guitar/instrument attack

Folks, it's an old one...... We used to fade up our instruments in order to produce that attackless sound, you know?
How is done in software? Suppose I want every chord "faded up" in an intro? What does it, is it a compression trick? I've forgotten.

Help appreciated, please.
#1

12 Replies Related Threads

    Beagle
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 50621
    • Joined: 2006/03/29 11:03:12
    • Location: Fort Worth, TX
    • Status: offline
    Re:Old trick forgotten..... Guitar/instrument attack 2010/05/22 07:16:52 (permalink)
    just use the fade in tool on your clips.  hover your mouse over the edge of the clip near the top and a little triangle will appear.  click and drag.  put your mouse back over the area where you stopped dragging and right click for options on the attack of the fade.

    http://soundcloud.com/beaglesound/sets/featured-songs-1
    i7, 16G DDR3, Win10x64, MOTU Ultralite Hybrid MK3
    Yamaha MOXF6, Hammond XK3c, other stuff.
    #2
    mattplaysguitar
    Max Output Level: -55.5 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 1992
    • Joined: 2006/01/02 00:27:42
    • Location: Gold Coast, Australia
    • Status: offline
    Re:Old trick forgotten..... Guitar/instrument attack 2010/05/22 07:22:01 (permalink)
    I just strum the chord and then reverse the clip and line it up. If you check out my website and have a look at my song on the songs page, the guitar fade ins during the intro were done using this method. It's pretty common and I think it's how they do it in many/most pro mixes with this effect.


    Currently recording my first album, so if you like my music, please follow me on Facebook!
    http://www.facebook.com/mattlyonsmusic

    www.mattlyonsmusic.com 

    #3
    papa2005
    Max Output Level: -43 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 3250
    • Joined: 2009/08/01 16:43:11
    • Location: Southeastern, US
    • Status: offline
    Re:Old trick forgotten..... Guitar/instrument attack 2010/05/22 09:41:00 (permalink)
    I do it using volume knobs on the guitar or the expression/volume pedal of whatever multi-effects device I'm using...The pinkie finger on the guitar's volume knob technique has been used for decades...
     
    EDIT: Just read the OP's post again...If he's talking about multiple instruments fading in at the same time, that should be done at the mixing or (preferably) mastering stage...
    post edited by papa2005 - 2010/05/22 09:47:26

    Regards,
    Papa

    CLICK HERE for a link to support for SONAR 8.5

    CLICK HERE to view a list of video tutorials...
     
    CLICK HERE for a link to Getting Started with Session Drummer 3...
    #4
    Guitarhacker
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 24398
    • Joined: 2007/12/07 12:51:18
    • Location: NC
    • Status: offline
    Re:Old trick forgotten..... Guitar/instrument attack 2010/05/22 09:44:01 (permalink)
    I would use the envelope tool. start the envelope at zero when the note is picked..... then let it rise quickly using (inserting) nodes to control all the levels.

    It works like a charm, it's fast and easy to do....and edit too.

    In my playing, I will use a hammer on and fade the knob with my hand.... the Gibson SG... although a super guitar, is not really designed like a fender with the volume knob within easy pinky reach from one hand.....
    post edited by Guitarhacker - 2010/05/22 09:46:15

    My website & music: www.herbhartley.com

    MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW   
    Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface


    BMI/NSAI

    "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer 
    #5
    papa2005
    Max Output Level: -43 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 3250
    • Joined: 2009/08/01 16:43:11
    • Location: Southeastern, US
    • Status: offline
    Re:Old trick forgotten..... Guitar/instrument attack 2010/05/22 09:50:44 (permalink)
    Guitarhacker


    In my playing, I will use a hammer on and fade the knob with my hand.... the Gibson SG... although a super guitar, is not really designed like a fender with the volume knob within easy pinky reach from one hand.....

    Yeah, I know exactly what you mean by that...

    Regards,
    Papa

    CLICK HERE for a link to support for SONAR 8.5

    CLICK HERE to view a list of video tutorials...
     
    CLICK HERE for a link to Getting Started with Session Drummer 3...
    #6
    267Rufus
    Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 30
    • Joined: 2010/03/01 17:09:22
    • Location: Midlands UK
    • Status: offline
    Re:Old trick forgotten..... Guitar/instrument attack 2010/05/22 11:49:17 (permalink)
    Thank you all very much!  Your time & trouble is appreciated.

    I understand you all, and yes.... The finger-on-the-control works well, but...... I'm looking for an auto option due to occassions when this technique is (over) used throughout. When I described it as chords at the intro, I wasnt being accurate. Occasionally it even needs to apply to individual notes. (It a spacey thing I'm working on).
    You know how the awful auto-wah auto wah's?. I suppose its a liitle like that, but simply acting on the initial attack.
    Does this makes sense? I'm not doing a very good job of explaining. Sorry!
    #7
    jhughs
    Max Output Level: -67 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 1179
    • Joined: 2007/11/23 13:58:23
    • Location: Naperville, IL
    • Status: offline
    Re:Old trick forgotten..... Guitar/instrument attack 2010/05/22 17:21:06 (permalink)
    You're looking for an 'auto swell'. 
    I believe most (or many) multi-effects boards have that feature.
    If you're using PODFarm then it has an Autoswell feature.
    Or this one of their pedals: http://line6.com/tonecore/echoPark.html
    There are other similar pedals on the market.

    As others mention, I've used the reverse clip technique as well as using either the envelope volume or clip gain envelope.  One note there, if you are recording a dry signal then running it through an a guitar plug-in model, then I get the sense that using gain comes out different than volume.  The gain method tends to sound more like you're slowly cranking up the volume on your guitar - so it starts to 'crunch' toward the end if you're doing that sort of overdriven sound.  The volume method just sounds the same throughout only louder.



    ASUS P5ND/Intel E8500, Line6 Toneport UX2/PODFarm, Sonar, Axiom 25, Blue Bluebird, Audio-Technica AT3035s, Blue Snowflake, Line6 Spider IV 150 & AMPLIFI, Crate 1

    J Hughs Soundclick
    #8
    Guitarhacker
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 24398
    • Joined: 2007/12/07 12:51:18
    • Location: NC
    • Status: offline
    Re:Old trick forgotten..... Guitar/instrument attack 2010/05/22 20:04:32 (permalink)
    Oh...you want it to figure it out and do it all by it's lonesome.....

    My website & music: www.herbhartley.com

    MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW   
    Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface


    BMI/NSAI

    "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer 
    #9
    ohhey
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 11676
    • Joined: 2003/11/06 16:24:07
    • Location: Fort Worth Texas USA
    • Status: offline
    Re:Old trick forgotten..... Guitar/instrument attack 2010/05/22 21:51:04 (permalink)
    267Rufus


    Thank you all very much!  Your time & trouble is appreciated.

    I understand you all, and yes.... The finger-on-the-control works well, but...... I'm looking for an auto option due to occassions when this technique is (over) used throughout. When I described it as chords at the intro, I wasnt being accurate. Occasionally it even needs to apply to individual notes. (It a spacey thing I'm working on).
    You know how the awful auto-wah auto wah's?. I suppose its a liitle like that, but simply acting on the initial attack.
    Does this makes sense? I'm not doing a very good job of explaining. Sorry!


    The Clip Gain envelope should work fine for and of that stuff. If you want to fade the effects in the effects bin also then use the Track Volume envelope.
    #10
    ShadDOH
    Max Output Level: -70 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 1027
    • Joined: 2009/12/31 20:50:02
    • Status: offline
    Re:Old trick forgotten..... Guitar/instrument attack 2010/05/23 00:38:43 (permalink)
    I wish every part of mixing was as easy to deal with as this. Mixing is such a freaking PITA... This deals with a very small part of it. Mixing is big... HUGE! It's at the heart and soul of your song. co-equal with the writing IMO... They are all conjoined... The song (writing) which includes the melody and the words and the groove. The performances, all of them, the guitar, bass, drums, singer, keys, etc., and then "the technology" The technology includes the mix... And the mix includes each track, and how it sits in the mix, the attack, the delay, verb, echo, level, etc... The technology is the part I hate the most. Not because it's bad? But because the rest is easy for me. The later is difficult...

    Please pray for Foxwolfen, pray for peace for him. And an end to any deception, anger, and hatred around him or influencing him.   


    My stuff is here,  http://www.reverbnation.com/rockinrobby 

     




    #11
    267Rufus
    Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 30
    • Joined: 2010/03/01 17:09:22
    • Location: Midlands UK
    • Status: offline
    Re:Old trick forgotten..... Guitar/instrument attack 2010/05/23 01:33:54 (permalink)
    I'm glad every part of mixing was as easy to deal with as this. Now, thanks to Shad, I have no cares at all. All is rosey, happy and simple. Is one aspect important? No! Look at the skill with which Shad deals with 100 problems at once, with one hand behind his back whilst suspended above a pot of boiling oil!
    Shad, as you said to me only last week..... Thank you from the bottom..............

    #12
    Philip
    Max Output Level: -34.5 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 4062
    • Joined: 2007/03/21 13:09:13
    • Status: offline
    Re:Old trick forgotten..... Guitar/instrument attack 2010/05/23 07:25:13 (permalink)
    Hmm!  Never thought of reversing a guitar strum clip ...

    Now I'm thinking if David Bowie exploited that trick in some of his earlier stuff.

    Philip  
    (Isa 5:12 And the harp, and the viol, the tabret, and pipe, and wine, are in their feasts: but they regard not the work of the LORD)

    Raised-Again 3http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=12307501
    #13
    Jump to:
    © 2025 APG vNext Commercial Version 5.1