Alluminati
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Kontakt 4 LASS channels lowering in Sonar?
Whenever I write something down in piano roll, then hit play on the sequencer, the volume is automatically and spontaneously lowered tremendously to a level where I can barely hear it (havent figured out how to raise it back to normal without using some type of FX plugin). This only happens with LASS in kontakt, not east west, hypersonik or any other vsts :S. I've checked the actual kontakt interface its self and can't find a thing, as well as sonar itself. http://www.box.net/shared/s8znrj7imf Cheers
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Re:Kontakt 4 channels lowering in Sonar?
2010/05/26 02:36:53
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Alluminati
Whenever I write something down in piano roll, then hit play on the sequencer, the volume is automatically and spontaneously lowered tremendously to a level where I can barely hear it (havent figured out how to raise it back to normal without using some type of FX plugin). This only happens with kontakt, not east west, hypersonik or any other vsts :S.
I've checked the actual kontakt interface its self and can't find a thing.
Cheers
Is this only happening in ONE project, or in any - including new ones you start now? It sounds like there might be a CC7 being sent to Kontakt. CC7 is 'volume'. Look in the event list. Also if you lower the fader in the MIDI track feeding Kontakt, that is also "MIDI Volume" So look for CC events in that track.
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Re:Kontakt 4 channels lowering in Sonar?
2010/05/26 05:38:59
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yeah i get this sometimes.
it's usually the fader in Sonar is sending a message when you press play. Best to alter the MIDI volumes in Sonar than in Kontakt. (thats not the audio out volume in sonar by the way)
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Re:Kontakt 4 channels lowering in Sonar?
2010/05/26 11:04:55
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Alluminati
Whenever I write something down in piano roll, then hit play on the sequencer, the volume is automatically and spontaneously lowered tremendously to a level where I can barely hear it (havent figured out how to raise it back to normal without using some type of FX plugin). This only happens with kontakt, not east west, hypersonik or any other vsts :S.
I've checked the actual kontakt interface its self and can't find a thing.
Cheers
Could it be very instruments you have loaded and the multi has mapped midi CC's?
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Re:Kontakt 4 channels lowering in Sonar?
2010/05/26 22:23:58
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I've just discovered that is is only LASS that is doing this within konakt, nothing else. Still havent been able to locate the problem
post edited by Alluminati - 2010/05/26 22:26:08
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Re:Kontakt 4 channels lowering in Sonar?
2010/05/26 22:26:25
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I've just discovered that is is only LASS that is doing this within konakt, nothing else. Still havent been able to locate the problem
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Re:Kontakt 4 channels lowering in Sonar?
2010/05/26 22:48:07
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When ever I have had that problem it was due to accidentally having extra midi tracks assigned to the same midi port and channel. Most of the time it occurs after i deleted out a soft synth. The left over midi track gets assigned to the next soft synth and could have different pan and volume settings. If you forget to delete those tracks it will mess with your levels as you described.
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Re:Kontakt 4 channels lowering in Sonar?
2010/05/26 23:23:32
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Right click on a MIDI track's channel strip to be sure you have "disable control" checked. Otherwise, the faders in Sonar will control the faders in Kontakt.
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Re:Kontakt 4 channels lowering in Sonar?
2010/05/27 01:59:59
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Jimbo I know exactly what you mean, I've ran into that problem plenty times when I'm using FL studio. As for this I only have one simple instrument track opened which is kontakt, and it automatically lowers. Randy, I right clicked on the channel strip, there is no "disabled control" like you're saying. There is just insert audio track to restart default widget order with no disable control inbetween. Also I cannot channel volume using kontakt if my life depended on it. I don't understand why this piano roll is so unintuitive. I usually add an instrument track, then just click above the keyboard on the left side in piano roll, then select new value, go to NPR and select Instrument Volume. ( I also to go Control and select Gain, i wish it was like this in all the piano roll views) If i'm adding a midi source track with multiple outputs it gets all complicated. Kontakt just gives me like numbers or completely different options even with the simple instrument track, so do a lot of other vsts, it's mad I tell you. Not sure if anyone here is familiar with FL, but all you have to do is right click in the bottom left box of the piano roll and select channel volume, just wondering if there is an easy way to do this for midi tracks, instrument tracks, output tracks, etc. Sonars kickin my ass right now
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Re:Kontakt 4 channels lowering in Sonar?
2010/05/27 12:12:27
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Re:Kontakt 4 channels lowering in Sonar?
2010/05/27 12:27:42
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Randy, I right clicked on the channel strip, there is no "disabled control" like you're saying. There is just insert audio track to restart default widget order with no disable control inbetween.
Yes, there is a "disable control" option, I didn't make it up. MIDI channel, right click over its fader, the last item in the list is "disable control." That will stop Kontakt's faders from being re-set by Sonar. Randy B.
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Re:Kontakt 4 channels lowering in Sonar?
2010/05/27 13:33:41
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I see it now my fault, it has been checked the whole time but to no avail, any alternatives?
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Re:Kontakt 4 channels lowering in Sonar?
2010/05/27 19:44:58
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Jimbo 88
When ever I have had that problem it was due to accidentally having extra midi tracks assigned to the same midi port and channel. Most of the time it occurs after i deleted out a soft synth. The left over midi track gets assigned to the next soft synth and could have different pan and volume settings. If you forget to delete those tracks it will mess with your levels as you described.
What about if it's a brand new template with zero everything?
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Re:Kontakt 4 channels lowering in Sonar?
2010/05/27 21:12:28
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Open Kontakt and set the volume slider to some high level. Does the volume slider subsequently move in Kontakt when you start playback?
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Re:Kontakt 4 channels lowering in Sonar?
2010/05/27 22:47:21
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Nothing at all moved, again it's just LASS that is doing this everything does not lower when begin playback.. checked all the settings in LASS too, i'll keep searchin.
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Re:Kontakt 4 channels lowering in Sonar?
2010/05/28 05:45:02
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Hi- Alluminati
Nothing at all moved, again it's just LASS that is doing this everything does not lower when begin playback.. checked all the settings in LASS too, i'll keep searchin.
I don't have LASS, but some instruments in GPO with the Kontakt Player defaulted to a 0 value for the ModWheel, which was in fact Volume for those instruments. Garritan recommended inserting a ModWheel event in the tracks for those instruments with some moderate starting value as one way of dealing with this. This might have no relevance to LASS, but it wouldn't hurt to check and see if there's something similar going on. -Susan
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Re:Kontakt 4 channels lowering in Sonar?
2010/05/29 03:56:49
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Checking in the LASS manual I think what you are running into is a velocity attenuator zeroing out. First step would be in Options - Project uncheck Zero controllers when play stops box. It is controlled with CC 111. Insert a CC111 into your PRV controller lanes and set it to the top just to see if that is the problem. The other controller that comes into play is CC 1 which is your modwheel. It controls layering of patches being played so also has an impact on the dynamics. If the above seems to be at the root of the problem click on the Show/Hide assignable controls button in the synthrack for the Kontakt instance where your LASS is and right click on one of the boxes that comes up and select the controllers from the list that should come up. You can then assign them to your midi controller via ACT. p.s. That looks like a really interesting VST. Does some really neat stuff.
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Re:Kontakt 4 channels lowering in Sonar?
2010/05/30 22:17:33
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Re:Kontakt 4 channels lowering in Sonar?
2010/05/30 22:23:27
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--another photo I can't read.
Did you try Lorney's advice, "...Options - Project uncheck Zero controllers when play stops box..."-?
That could be the problem. If you have a synth like GPO, for instance, which has to have some CC1 level in order to be heard, you have to un-check that "zero controllers" option, otherwise, every time you stop playback, the synth's volume is turned off.
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Re:Kontakt 4 channels lowering in Sonar?
2010/05/30 22:26:48
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screen shots - If you have a fairly current computer, look for "Snipping Tool", as has been suggested on this thread. For some reason it doesn't show up as a default. But if you have it and find it, it's a great screen shot tool that will produce legible results.
A tip from Susan that I'm grateful for - get "Jing," another Microsoft screen shot app which is more sophisticated than the Snipping Tool. You have great control over what area you're doing a shot of, the results are crystal clear, it even has video screen capture, and free hosting for your images. All for free. Great.
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Re:Kontakt 4 channels lowering in Sonar?
2010/05/30 22:29:51
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I might be able to help if I knew what LASS was. It could be a very big girl for all I know.
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Re:Kontakt 4 channels lowering in Sonar?
2010/05/30 22:32:23
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Thanks that did it. I didn't even see his post, since it was down the forums I assumed no one had replied.
I can now begin my project in sonar and not just render in sonar!
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Re:Kontakt 4 channels lowering in Sonar?
2010/05/30 22:34:23
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Thanks that did it. I didn't even see his post, since it was down the forums I assumed no one had replied.
I can now begin my project in sonar and not just render in sonar!
What did it? - You mean the "Zero Controllers" option? Randy B.
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Re:Kontakt 4 channels lowering in Sonar?
2010/05/30 22:36:07
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By the way - "...I assumed no one had replied..." You need to subscribe to your own threads. That way you get instant email notification when someone has posted a new response. It's impossible to come to the Forum searching to see if someone has answered you, you'll never find all your answers.
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Re:Kontakt 4 channels lowering in Sonar?
2010/05/30 23:50:54
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Yes the Zero Controllers option. I used to have MSN messenger and everytime I had an email I would get a notification sound, maybe I should install it again.
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Re:Kontakt 4 channels lowering in Sonar?
2010/05/31 01:46:42
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Yes the Zero Controllers option. I used to have MSN messenger and everytime I had an email I would get a notification sound, maybe I should install it again.
At the top of any thread, there's the option to subscribe to a thread or not. When you've subscribed, then you get instant email notification whenever there's a new reply. It's the only way to keep track of threads you really want to keep track of. It has nothing to do with MSN Messenger. Randy B.
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Re:Kontakt 4 LASS channels lowering in Sonar?
2011/06/16 19:04:19
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[Sorry, posted a suggestion but I see now that someone else suggested the same thing and you've already solved your problem.]
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Re:Kontakt 4 channels lowering in Sonar?
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I might be able to help if I knew what LASS was. It could be a very big girl for all I know.
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