southpaw3473
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A good primer on the apreggiator
Hey all,
I wanted to mess around with the apreggiator in 8.5. I can't seem to get it to work. I read the manual but I'm missing something. Is there a good primer anyone can recommend? Is there a Cakewalk video on it? Not the most pressing thing but I have some free time in the studio today and thought I'd try to figure this out. Thanks in advance for the help.
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Re:A good primer on the apreggiator
June 02, 10 10:49 AM
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southpaw3473
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Re:A good primer on the apreggiator
June 02, 10 10:53 AM
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Thanks Ron. Yeah, I found the same video. I am wondering if there might be a problem with the arpeggiator in my 8.5 pe install. It should work but doesn't. I'll keep at it.
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Re:A good primer on the apreggiator
June 02, 10 1:22 PM
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rkl122
Their video. Not very thorough though.
-Ron
Yes, more like a look-at-the-cool-new-feature-don't-you-want-to-buy-it window display. The OP wants driving lessons, Cakewalk is trying to move the cars off the lot with this and many of their other posted videos.
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Re:A good primer on the apreggiator
June 02, 10 1:29 PM
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Yes - I suggested in the cake survey they do tutorials rather than demos. There's a difference - ie you learn from one and buy from another.
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southpaw3473
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Re:A good primer on the apreggiator
June 02, 10 2:06 PM
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I have to admit, I am beginning to feel like an idiot. It should be fairly straightforward but it won't work. I insert a synth, assign the midi track to the synth, enable the arp, choose a preset and......well, nothing. Am I missing something?
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Re:A good primer on the apreggiator
June 02, 10 2:28 PM
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southpaw3473
I have to admit, I am beginning to feel like an idiot. It should be fairly straightforward but it won't work. I insert a synth, assign the midi track to the synth, enable the arp, choose a preset and......well, nothing. Am I missing something?
I'll try to help if I can ... First, are you sure it's "enabled"? There's a little square to click on left of the word Arpreggiator that has to be lit (on). Then, you should try holding a note or noteS. Some of the presets work on all the notes (ie, you play a chord and it does the rest). Some work on single notes. Depends on the preset. And, do you at least hear the note you play (with or without the arp)? And do you have 8.5.3?
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Re:A good primer on the apreggiator
June 02, 10 2:54 PM
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Open the synth via the synth rack or use the insert - insert soft synth option. Load a patch. Make sure it makes a sound. Then try the arp.
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Re:A good primer on the apreggiator
June 02, 10 4:04 PM
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southpaw3473
I have to admit, I am beginning to feel like an idiot. It should be fairly straightforward but it won't work. I insert a synth, assign the midi track to the synth, enable the arp, choose a preset and......well, nothing. Am I missing something?
I'll try to help if I can ...
First, are you sure it's "enabled"? There's a little square to click on left of the word Arpreggiator that has to be lit (on).
Then, you should try holding a note or noteS. Some of the presets work on all the notes (ie, you play a chord and it does the rest). Some work on single notes. Depends on the preset.
And, do you at least hear the note you play (with or without the arp)?
And do you have 8.5.3?
Yeah Billy, it's enabled and I hear the note being played. I have 8.5.3 pe. The arp just doesn't want to work.
post edited by southpaw3473 - June 02, 10 4:16 PM
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Re:A good primer on the apreggiator
June 02, 10 4:19 PM
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Try different patches the arp doesn't really work on some stuff.
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Re:A good primer on the apreggiator
June 02, 10 4:36 PM
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Try different patches the arp doesn't really work on some stuff.
I am using the Dim Pro Martin Acoustic patch with an acoustic guitar preset in the arp. Still nada. Very weird!
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Re:A good primer on the apreggiator
June 02, 10 4:39 PM
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Right I'll give it a go.
You may wanna do a screen shot.
Something may leap out to someone looking at it.
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Re:A good primer on the apreggiator
June 02, 10 4:43 PM
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strikinglyhandsome1
Try different patches the arp doesn't really work on some stuff.
I am using the Dim Pro Martin Acoustic patch with an acoustic guitar preset in the arp. Still nada. Very weird!
I agree it's very weird. I wish I had something else to add, but I'm stumped.
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Re:A good primer on the apreggiator
June 02, 10 4:53 PM
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Hey South.
I made a little guide as to how to get the arp going in sonar for a friend few days ago. Together with screenshots. But i won't be able to post it since i'm at work atm. Will be able to in around 7-8 hours, unless you fid it prior.
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Re:A good primer on the apreggiator
June 02, 10 5:47 PM
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I just tried the Arp with True Pianos and it works like a charm. All the presets I tried as well. Wonder why it wouldn't work if it's enabled? EDIT: Tried with Dim Pro Martin Steel guitar. Arp works fine here.
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Re:A good primer on the apreggiator
June 02, 10 5:49 PM
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I think it's linked to the channel.
On your midi track it has I O CH - change that CH to Dim Pro 1 and see what happens.
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Re:A good primer on the apreggiator
June 02, 10 5:57 PM
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What happens if you just load Dim Pro or True Pianos as "Simple Instrument Track"?
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Re:A good primer on the apreggiator
June 02, 10 6:07 PM
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as far as I can see - he has it on 'none' and I guess others do too but I bet if you change it to Dim pro 1 then it'll play. You can change it in the track inspector too. Very interesting - now after I've done that it works on them all with the channel unaltered at none. And sometimes it doesn't.
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Re:A good primer on the apreggiator
June 02, 10 6:26 PM
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I forgot to ask but I assume you guys are using a midi keyboard? Or triggering from the Piano Roll?
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Re:A good primer on the apreggiator
June 02, 10 6:29 PM
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I'm looking into the midi keyboard
Check if it reads channel 1 on the arpeggiator columns that the midi keyboard is channel 1 also
I'm trying to find out why he can't get it to work.
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Re:A good primer on the apreggiator
June 02, 10 6:52 PM
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This may be way off base ........................ but, if I don't have the input monitor button lit, I get no sound. Are you using the input monitor button? What about just making sure that you have the track selected?
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Re:A good primer on the apreggiator
June 02, 10 6:58 PM
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He says he can hear the note.
Either it's because sonar has gone funny for being on too long - I get that.
Or it's the channel I reckon. If you play midi channel 2 on your keyboard it'll just play the note rather than the arp but if it's midi channel 1 then it plays. I'd definitely fiddle around that.
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Re:A good primer on the apreggiator
June 02, 10 6:59 PM
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Hey all, for giggles I deleted all midi tracks and inserted a new one. For some reason the arp worked! I don't know why it only works on some and not on others. Ghost in the machine. Thanks to all who took a bash at this. I don't have time to mess around more with it tonight but I will update the info if anything else happens. Thanks again all.
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Re:A good primer on the apreggiator
June 02, 10 7:03 PM
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Think I'll study this in detail. I'm now fascinated by the temperamental arp
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Re:A good primer on the apreggiator
June 02, 10 7:25 PM
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I'm glad I had a reason to try the Sonar Arp. Very impressed with the feature set. Load a couple of True Pianos, select different Arps and speeds then play away. Lots of fun.
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Re:A good primer on the apreggiator
June 03, 10 0:10 PM
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strikinglyhandsome1
Think I'll study this in detail. I'm now fascinated by the temperamental arp
You've hit the nail on the head. Tempermental is how it's behaved for me, i.e., it's got a bad TEMPER and it's completely MENTAL! 
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Re:A good primer on the apreggiator
June 03, 10 0:28 PM
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One thing I discovered tonight - by accident, but certainly coincidental to this thread ....
If you have a MIDI track with some clips, and you want to combine two clips (ie, merge them) for some reason, when you "bounce to clips" (after selecting both or all clips to be merged), the ARP gets TURNED OFF and the resulting clip has the actual notes (meaning as if you played them like an Arp'd input).
I find that disturbing because some times I want to do some basic editing to the MIDI data in a clip or clips, and this means that I first have to TURN OFF the ARP manually, bounce to clips, then turn the ARP back ON.
Weird. Obviously it's a workaround, so fine; but I think if I'm bouncing data, the ARP should be treated like an effect and not bounced with it. If you "freeze", for example, you have the option to NOT freeze the FX bin (which is how I always default ever since they gave us that feature).
Oh well, annoying but at least there's a workaround.
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