4 note horn pattern - MIDI question

I'm using Kontakt as a plug-in in SONAR Prod 8.5.

I want the 1st three notes of a horn patterns to be as I have them but I want the last note to be a "fall".

How do I do this?

I can't seem to figure out how to do this on one track. I'm sure there's a better way than to load another instance of Kontakt for the final note.

Any suggestions?

Dave-

Bit, thanks.

I thought that's what I'd have to do.

Since Kontakt has the controllers (?) (not sure what they're called) for falls, etc as the far left keys on the keyboard I thought there might be a way to do this on one track.

Dave-

Kontakt  on my DAW is pretty resource heavy... I can run multiples but the CPU meter is getting up there.... if you know what I mean... so I'd bounce the initial track first.

But.... yeah, that's the beauty of having all those tracks. I have a few projects where I have just a few notes in the track. On playback, no one can tell, and therefore, it doesn't matter how you achieved it.

Pop the note in a new track, and use the controller's pitch wheel.....

MrMook

hairyjamie


I'm not sure about this but I think you're referring to keyswitches.

If there's a fall keyswitch on note C0 for instance then program that note in the PRV at the same time as your last note and it should change the articulation for just that note.

They are keyswitches. Thanks, I couldn't recall the name and my DAW was off.

On your 2nd point.......if you could tell me how to do that in PRV I'd be forever grateful.

I'm not an expert at PRV. I've simply moved and added notes and adjusted a few velocities.

I'm not exactly sure how to modify that last note to make it a "fall" in the same track.

Thanks for the replies.

Dave-

Hi Dave,
 
No problems - for the following I'm going to assume that the correct keyswitch note for a fall is D0.
 
In the PRV make sure that you can see your last note, then add another note that begins at the same time at the pitch of D0. (You might want to add it slightly ahead of your last note but definitely make sure that its duration covers its length).
 
Hopefully this makes sense? basically you're programming it so that it appears that you've played your last note and the D0 note at the same time on your keyboard.
 
Unfortunately I'm not at my DAW otherwise I'd create a screenshot but hopefully you get the picture.
 
Cheers,
 
Jamie.
 

MrMook


Jamie, I thought you had the answer.

I understand what you wanted me to try and I thought, "Why didn't I think of that?" It seemed so simple.

I tried it.

What happens is when I "add" the D0 to make the last note a "fall" it affects all four notes. I tried this several times using different instruments. No matter where I put the D0 or F0 (as a test) it affects all notes. Seems once that event is added via PRV it affects the entire track.

I'm not sure if this is a SONAR or Kontakt issue.

I've yet to try it with a different vst plugin.

Dave-

I think you have to also add the 'normal' keyswitch at the front of the section, just like using any CC.  The last one the instrument sees is the one it 'uses'.   So once you have the D0 (or whatever keyswtich) there, it will command the instrument to continue in that mode until it sees another keyswitch.   Think of this as "on" and "off" switches, if you will.
 
So I would try adding in the normal keyswitch at the start of the four notes, and leave the other keyswitch (the fall) where it is.
 
See if that works for ya. 
  
Worst case, just use your pitch bend and do your own 'fall' ;)
 
 

ba_midi

  
Worst case, just use your pitch bend and do your own 'fall' ;)
 
 

Thanks, Billy.

I'll give that a try. I'm getting ready to fall. This is so frustrating.

For kicks I recorded a few notes normally and then hit the keyswitch to do a fall. All in slow motion, of course. On playback all notes played as a fall.

Jamie, thanks for your suggestion as well.

Dave-

Well, I got it to work. I'm baffled!

I used the "strings" in Kontakt 4 as a test then did my horns. I used strings because the GUI tells me what key = what keyswitch plus I can "see" if I'm pressing the proper key.

The GUI says C0 = Sustain, E-flat = Tremelo.

I recorded four notes. The 1st 3 were sustained, the last tremelo.

I was able to see the keyswitches I pressed in PRV.

Oddly they showed up as C2 and E-flat2 in PRV. I have an 81 key MIDI controller. So, I did the same with my horn section except rather than use C0 and E-flat0 I used C2 and E-flat 2. I added the C2 before the 1st three notes and the E-flat2 before the 3d note. It worked.

I was wondering why my pressing a keyswitch via the keyboard wasn't showing up in PRV. I did press the proper key since I saw it depress on the GUI.

Any ideas what type of issue I have?

I really appreciate the help. At least I don't have to add another instant of Kontakt to get my fall.

Again, thanks!

Dave-

Gotcha!

Thanks again for the help.

dave-