How much compression & EQ?

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2010/06/28 17:02:16 (permalink)

How much compression & EQ?

I have heard in the past that to much compression & EQ Can suck the life out of the track & make it sound muddy or lifeless. So what I am asking is how much compression & EQ is to much? & is it wise to have a compressor & EQ in each individual bus as well as the Master bus. Or is it best to just have a compressor & EQ in the Master bus only & use the compressor & EQ in the final Mastering stages at the end of the project.

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    ba_midi
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    Re:How much compression & EQ? 2010/06/28 17:20:03 (permalink)
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    I have heard in the past that to much compression & EQ Can suck the life out of the track & make it sound muddy or lifeless. So what I am asking is how much compression & EQ is to much? & is it wise to have a compressor & EQ in each individual bus as well as the Master bus. Or is it best to just have a compressor & EQ in the Master bus only & use the compressor & EQ in the final Mastering stages at the end of the project.

    There's no easy answer to this.   There are some guidelines, I think.

    TOO much is when your ears think it's too much.   Of course, that depends on the style of music - and how good your ears are, as well.

    There is LOTS of controversy whether to use (and how much) compression and EQ on the Master Bus.   My feeling is - do what you think sounds right, but keeping in mind what headroom and other options you'll be giving to the Mastering Engineer (if you use one).   If you're doing everything yourself and ITB (In The Box), then just go for it.

    Compare your results to your favorite tracks to get a beat on whether you're in the ballpark or not.

    I do know that many producers/engineers use EQ and compression a lot but in varying degrees.   Many do so on each and every track.  But like anything else, developing a good working knowledge and experience with these tools is most important.

    Compression and EQ are intense tools and can easily be used badly.  When used well, they can do great things to a track too.

    In the end, assuming one has good skills/experience with the tools, then it's really a matter of taste.

    There are great tracks that are heavily compressed on purpose - ie, it's a "sound" they went for (pumping is one example).    But there are also a lot of bad tracks that are overcompressed or over EQ'd for the wrong reasons and sound bad.

    So use your ears, study all you can, learn all you can, practice all you can and you'll come to your own conclusions about how/when/why to use the tools.

    That's my 2 cents ;)




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    Re:How much compression & EQ? 2010/06/28 17:37:03 (permalink)
    Yeah sure compression or EQ can suck the life out of a track if used with lack of direction as to what is needed to make your tracks sit together to harmony.

    Mixing takes a lot of trial and error to know when to apply just the right amount of effect to attain pleasing results. There is no magic bullet that will work from one song or the next, experience will eventually guide you to know what is required to adjust tracks or even the master buss.

    Compression, some soft ware compressors will fatten up a drum track or limit the peaks of that track, depending on the compressors setting, gain, threshold, attack, and ratio.

    Using a compressor on bass track can really screw up the content if over used, experiment.

    On vocals compression will do good or bad depending on the setting as on drums.

    If all the tracks are summed to a master buss, compression can become problematic if one track is to dynamic and then the compressor is causing a pumping of the master buss.

    EQ is always essential to learn to use, the trick is to know what frequency band is causing an acoustic unbalance. For example is you closed mike your electric guitar and the track sounds awesome solo, but it doesn't sit right with drums and bass, maybe cutting out 200 - 300 hz might improve things. Likewise if the distortion high end sizzles to much EQ to roll off at 5 KHZ will be favorable.

    Using professional mixed CD's of your choice will give your ears a guide line of how good mixes sound on your system.

    The classics that I so much enjoy for the mix were painstakingly mixed with engineers with ear training in the above mentioned post.


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    Re:How much compression & EQ? 2010/06/28 18:14:13 (permalink)
    use only as much as you need.

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    Re:How much compression & EQ? 2010/06/28 18:27:51 (permalink)
    Read this book and you'll be a very happy music mixer by the end...

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    Re:How much compression & EQ? 2010/06/28 18:38:28 (permalink)
    Another thing to think about is not to overthink the whole process. Sometimes you keep making changes and you missing the problem, "tired ears". Coming back to something later may give you a better perspective.

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    Re:How much compression & EQ? 2010/06/28 19:23:04 (permalink)

    So what I am asking is how much compression & EQ is to much?
    Only your ears can tell you that. As you know, every song and track in a project is different and each will need different processes done to. Some or most tacks, may not even need EQ or compression. Use your ears
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    Re:How much compression & EQ? 2010/06/28 20:36:15 (permalink)
    Use as little as you can get by with.....

    I like to see my finished waves look like this: >>>> you can see that there is some compression... but only the peaks are affected by it..... I don't like the "brick" look or sound.

    EQ... only use if you need it.


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    Re:How much compression & EQ? 2010/06/28 22:08:09 (permalink)
    this is not easy to answer by theory, you'd better go to studio to listen to , to percept. needn't read too much book or articles on it. no use. this is a practical engineering, need practice activity.
    totally speaking, if you hear an uncompotable sound so loudly or see a cut waveform, try to pull down your fader, (not compression), but after a while, you hear a very lower voice under a noise, you may take account of harness compressing. this conscern to a dynamic range. headroom and so on.....
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