Kontakt 4 (full) vs Komplete 6

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2010/07/05 12:19:20 (permalink)

Kontakt 4 (full) vs Komplete 6

So, I bought the Dan Dean no brainer on Audiomidi.  Turns out it doesn't seem to work (for more than 30 minutes) on Kontakt player but works ok on the full version. 
 
I really wasn't familiar with the Pro version, and started looking at it.  It actually looks pretty sweet.  I own Infinite Player so am pretty sure I can get the crossgrade price of around $280.
 
Then I noticed that "Komplete" includes not only the full version of Kontakt but several other packages as well...for just under $500.
 
My question to those in the know.... are the other packages all of decent quality (and is it the FULL version of each package?)
 
And do they NOT include anything in the Komplete package?  (samples or any other material that you would get buying each separately?)
 
Do they all work and play well with Sonar? (8.5)
 
Are these major resource hogs?  I'm still running 32 bit, dual core processor, 4GB RAM (3.25)
 
What do people think of the samples?  Are they skewed towards any one genre of music or are they a well rounded group?  And of good quality?
 
Lastly...assuming that you don't already have any of the various packages included in Komplete, is there any reason not to purchase that rather than just Kontakt for not THAT much less money?
 
No ilok or anything, right?
 
Lots of questions, yeah, but this would be a pretty hefty investment for me, so I want to make sure I make the right choice.
 
Thanks.
 

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    Guitarhacker
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    Re:Kontakt 4 (full) vs Komplete 6 2010/07/05 13:50:57 (permalink)
    I bought the K6 collection recently. No ilok or dongle required. To my understanding these are the full and complete versions.... nothing missing, all the samples and patches are included to get you in the game.

    From what I see, all the parts of this are the complete and fully functional versions of the various NI synths..... Kontakt 4, Battery 3, FM8, Absynth 5, Massive, Reaktor 5, and Guitar Rig 4.

    I have not used all of the components but the ones I have used are very nice.  Buying the package is sure enough way cheaper than buying them individually.

    The samples in the synths are very good quality. In the synths there are a bunch that might have limited usage.... but in that same group are some really nice sounding samples. Pads, sound effects, and more. I write jazz, and country and Christian, and dabble in other genre's as well and find I can use the samples in all those genre's. For people into pop and electronica it is a virtual candy store of samples..... It's all in how you use them and the creativity you employ.

    In Kontakt 4, the orchestral sample libraries and choir libraries are pretty decent. As with most packages in the price range for the K6 collection ($500 +/-) there will be other better sounding samples available from other vendors but generally at a much higher entry price..... example East West Strings.

    I run K6 in Music Creator 4 so I have no doubt that you can run it on Sonar with out problems.

    As far as resources used..... I can run on my 2 yr old Dell in MC4 OK. I work in a way that might be different from some.... perhaps even most. I insert the synth and the source track and when I have it right I bounce it to audio and remove the synth. This keeps my resource usage low. I think I can easily run several synths in real time on dry tracks..... but I don't generally work that way. By the time I get to mixing..... everything is audio so I have the resources to run my CPU/resource heavy sweeteners....

    for the price... this is a nice package with better than stock sounds.

    if you have more questions...ask.... also check out the NI demo MP3's and listen to what they have there..... I'd say it's pretty accurate.


    The biggest problem I have with any of the included synths is..... which sound should I use? There are so freaking many to play with...... choices...choices.....I have sat and just sampled random sounds for hours......and not hit them all....
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    Re:Kontakt 4 (full) vs Komplete 6 2010/07/05 14:31:17 (permalink)
    I too am considering Komplete 6 instead of Kontakt 4.  For not so much money more than Kontakt, you get Absynth and FM8 and the others.  No dongle.  Seems like a great deal. 
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    Re:Kontakt 4 (full) vs Komplete 6 2010/07/05 15:52:32 (permalink)
    I too am considering Komplete 6 instead of Kontakt 4. For not so much money more than Kontakt, you get Absynth and FM8 and the others. No dongle. Seems like a great deal.

     
    The Komplete 6 bundle gives you the full version of each plugin (Guitar Rig 4, Kontakt 4, FM8, Massive, Reaktor 5, Absynth 5)
    If you'll use two or more of the plugins (likely for many folks), it's a fantastic deal.

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    Re:Kontakt 4 (full) vs Komplete 6 2010/07/05 17:24:06 (permalink)
    Jim's right on.  If you're willing to make the investment Komplete 6 is an incredible deal.  For all practical purposes ALL of your production needs are met.  Every individual instrument/processor is absolutely top notch.  Every one the flown blown version.  For the life of me I cannot see why anyone (unless they already own most of the other programs) would buy Kontakt 4 over Komplete 6.  You're just being penny wise and pound foolish, as my grandmother used to say.

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    Re:Kontakt 4 (full) vs Komplete 6 2010/07/06 02:36:14 (permalink)
    I personally think the Komplete6 package is one of the best deals there is on the market. The synths are really excellent and Kontakt4 is a real power house of a sampler.
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    Re:Kontakt 4 (full) vs Komplete 6 2010/07/06 08:25:51 (permalink)
    so.... Ozz..... did you buy it yet?

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    Re:Kontakt 4 (full) vs Komplete 6 2010/07/06 12:48:44 (permalink)
    Lol, Guitarhacker..no pressure there!

    Thanks to everyone for their input, all of it helped.

    What kills me is that I really don't NEED Kontakt OR Komplete. (Other than to play the $20 no-brainer that I goofed on).  Hell, I still haven't used a lot of the goodies in SONAR yet!

    I might not even use some of the other packages included in Komplete (though ya never know), but the price differential between Kontakt and Komplete is really so slight that (especially since it DOES appear to be the FULL version of each program, and not currently owning any of them) it really wouldn't make sense to NOT buy the larger suite.

    So, I sent out a quote I found to a few of the online retailers, and he who gives me the best "We'll beat any price"  will gain my business!

    As soon as I order I'll let ya know!
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    Re:Kontakt 4 (full) vs Komplete 6 2010/07/06 14:35:37 (permalink)
    Alrighty....Just finalized the order.  Now comes "Buyers nerves" where I worry about whether I made the right decision! 

    I ended up ordering from AmericanMusical.com, who had a coupon deal going (that ends today for anyone interested) that got me a 10% discount.

    So, I'm paying $449 shipped. (And so can you, if you get it there today!)

    Seemed to be a good deal..... (this is where you real bargain hunters say "DUDE!!  They have it for $100 less than that at XXXXXX.com!!  You got ripped off!!) 
     
    Or worse... "But Ozz...Komplete 7 is coming out on Friday...Komplete 6 is so yesterday afternoon!"

    And just think....this all started because I couldn't get a $20 no-brainer to work properly with Kontakt Player!

    We all have our vices.....
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    Re:Kontakt 4 (full) vs Komplete 6 2010/07/06 15:32:38 (permalink)
    I get fliers all the time for discounts..... many have a price guarantee so no sweat....

    I think you will like it and find satisfaction in it.... at least for a little while..... that how it goes you know....

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    Re:Kontakt 4 (full) vs Komplete 6 2010/07/06 16:05:04 (permalink)
    What amazes me (kind of off topic) is that when I started getting into this about 25-27 years ago... I had a cheap electric guitar/amp with a distortion and delay pedal, a CHEAP casio keyboard (toy) and a Fostex X-15 4 track cassette recorder and was in hog heaven!

    In college I used Cakewalk for the first time (no audio yet...just MIDI) and was amazed at what we could do in the recording studio  (8 track reel to reel and some rack mount effects....wow...we were REAL musicians now...bring on the groupies!  ;)  )

    Back to the 4 track after college.....until  Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 (Wow...MORE than 8 available tracks and non destructve???).  That, a Delta 1010, a Roland XP-30, a Pod 2.0,  Alesis sr-16 and a Rode mic got me through the next (approx) ten years.

    Then in January I decided to upgrade to see what I was missing....and wow....I still use the Roland (as a controller ), the 1010, and have added mics to that Rode...but..it absolutely amazes me what you can do today. 

    The quality of sounds and recordings possible today in a home environment (for really not all that much money or even free) are things I used to dream about not all that long ago. 

    It's exciting.   It makes me wonder what things will be like in 10 or 15 years. 

    Well....Kind of a long tangent....but, I'm easily amused!

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    Re:Kontakt 4 (full) vs Komplete 6 2010/07/06 16:14:30 (permalink)
    Ozz, ol pal, trust me...you are gonna luuuuuv Komplete 6.  I'm happy for ya.  Rock on.

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    Re:Kontakt 4 (full) vs Komplete 6 2010/07/06 16:19:39 (permalink)
    Ozz

    So, I'm paying $449 shipped. (And so can you, if you get it there today!)

    Seemed to be a good deal..... (this is where you real bargain hunters say "DUDE!!  They have it for $100 less than that at XXXXXX.com!!  You got ripped off!!) 


    DUDE, you got one hell of a good deal!  
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    Re:Kontakt 4 (full) vs Komplete 6 2010/07/06 18:40:27 (permalink)
    Thanks yorolpal...I'm sure I'll dig it!

    dmbaer...now THAT'S what I want to hear! ;)

    It should be here tomorrow or the next day.....once I install it and give it a try I'll let ya'll know what I think.

    Thanks again all for the info!

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    Re:Kontakt 4 (full) vs Komplete 6 2010/11/24 18:11:21 (permalink)
    I am curious: now that you have Komplete 6 (or possibly 7, if you felt the itch to upgrade), what do you think of it, and of the purchase in general? 

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    Re:Kontakt 4 (full) vs Komplete 6 2010/11/24 18:37:43 (permalink)
    K7 is fantastic. Great bang for the buck (or pound, euro, kronor, lira etc).
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    Re:Kontakt 4 (full) vs Komplete 6 2010/11/24 19:17:35 (permalink)
    K7 is just a crazygood deal.  Just check out everything you get...all the full versions...at the price of Komplete vs. if you purchased each individual item. Like the Bap says...it's fantastic!!  Yea, it deserves that second exclamation point.

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    Re:Kontakt 4 (full) vs Komplete 6 2010/11/24 19:22:16 (permalink)
    Well, Tripecac, I've had the package for awhile now (since July)..and I'd say it's a very solid package.  All the various packages are quite impressive...although I still haven't played around with Reaktor much.

    And, to be honest.....I just can't really get a sound I like from Guitar Rig.  Some folks swear by it.   I MUCH prefer Amplitube 3.  However, give it a try...you may be able to work wonders with it.

    The only buyers remorse I had was the fact that they announced Komplete 7 about 2 weeks or so after I bought it.  Had I known, I would have waited til they released it and paid about the same price. (Rather than the $200 upgrade).  Instead I have chosen to just stick with Komplete 6.

    Maybe when Komplete 8 or 9 comes out, I'll upgrade then..

    But, considering the separate product price vs the full package, you really can't go wrong.  And 7 added all kinds of stuff..

    But, all good products..and updates are easy to perform with their "service center"

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    Re:Kontakt 4 (full) vs Komplete 6 2010/11/24 19:32:52 (permalink)
    They don't have a free upgrade path if you bought Komplete 6 within a set time frame before Komplete 7 came out???


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    Re:Kontakt 4 (full) vs Komplete 6 2010/11/24 19:35:57 (permalink)
    Did you install every single thing on the DVDs, or start with the "big" packages and work your way toward the stuff you didn't think you'd use much?  90GB seems like a lot! (My samples drive is a 120GB SSD with 20GB already used, so 90GB seems overwhelming)



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    Re:Kontakt 4 (full) vs Komplete 6 2010/11/24 20:07:35 (permalink)
    In my case, yes, I just installed everything.  I'm not "space challenged" as you are.  I use a couple of 1TB drives for sample libraries, project files, etc...

    And Komplete 6 was "only" 60GB or so, as I recall.

    Plus after spending almost $500 you bet your a$$ I was going to use EVERYTHING! ;)

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    Re:Kontakt 4 (full) vs Komplete 6 2010/11/24 21:40:37 (permalink)
    Yea, Ozz, ol pal...you should contact the folks at NI.  If you bought the K6 just two weeks before the K7 release you should be entitled to a free or almost free upgrade.  No foolin.  They are generally great folks to deal with.  Give them a shout.  The extra instruments and effects you'll get in 7 are worth the effort.

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    Re:Kontakt 4 (full) vs Komplete 6 2010/11/24 21:43:46 (permalink)
    I considered it, yorolpal, but a few others had the same issue and no luck when they contacted NI.

    I've accepted my fate.....and comfort myself in the fact that what I DID get in my version was all of really good quality.

    (That and it's been several months now....lol)

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